RNA Editing of Octopus Linked to Alien Life!

[shunyadragon]

All that aside, I must admit that I'll probably avoid grilled octopus for a while.

There is also the options in China of soup, stir fry, served live, or or spicy barbee in a stick.

 

[exchemist]

All that aside, I must admit that I'll probably avoid grilled octopus for a while.

That's interesting. Are observant Jews allowed to eat squid and octopus? I had sort of assumed not.

 

[Salvador]

Wrong. These genes almost certainly DID come from terrestrial evolution. We just do not yet have an explanation for how they arose.

You make the same error as IDers. You in effect demand that everything be fully explained, all at once. If it is not and we have gaps in our current knowledge, you, just like the IDers, seize on unsubstantiated fictions to provide an instant pseudo-explanation, to fill in the gaps.

This is just not a scientific way to proceed.

Good sir, do you think direct panspermia theorists are merely alien-of-the-gaps hypothesists? Is this what you really believe? How could anybody dare think this in spite of all the evidence we have been impacted by cosmic events and cosmic ancestors beyond our solar system?

 

[Salvador]

All that aside, I must admit that I'll probably avoid grilled octopus for a while.

Octopuses are amazingly brilliant creatures with nine brains, they threaten neither us humans nor our livestock. There are plenty of other tasty protein-rich food sources we can consume other than octopuses Unless somebody is near starvation, without any other food source other than octopus, why would he/she even consider eating an octopus.

 

[shunyadragon]

Good sir, do you think direct panspermia theorists are merely alien-of-the-gaps hypothesists? Is this what you really believe? How could anybody dare think this in spite of all the evidence we have been impacted by cosmic events and cosmic ancestors beyond our solar system?

Unfortunately there is no evidence cosmic ancestors beyond our solar system. Cosmic events(?) this needs clarification. The very existence of our solar system, galaxy, and universe involves cosmic events, but not related to the speculation of 'cosmic ancestors.'

 

[shunyadragon]

Octopuses are amazingly brilliant creatures with nine brains, they threaten neither us humans nor our livestock. There are plenty of other tasty protein-rich food sources we can consume other than octopuses Unless somebody is near starvation, without any other food source other than octopus, why would he/she even consider eating an octopus.

. . . because it is a very tasty and nutritious food.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Octopuses are amazingly brilliant creatures with nine brains, they threaten neither us humans nor our livestock. There are plenty of other tasty protein-rich food sources we can consume other than octopuses Unless somebody is near starvation, without any other food source other than octopus, why would he/she even consider eating an octopus.

And, it's not kosher -- yet another monument to the prescience of our traditions, Where else would one find a 3 millennium old prohibition against consuming SETI Salads?

 

[Salvador]

All those claims require doing calculations base 10. if you choose another base, then it is a different number that does these things. Again, this is numerology at its worst.

Information is an innate attribute of something conveyed by patterns/sequential order to something which processes the conveyance of patterns/sequential order into meaningful data. We creatures using a base-10 numbering system would best understand a mathematical message that's been broadcast to us in the language of a base-10 numbering system. Right?

"The first information system emerged on the earth as primordial version of the genetic code and genetic texts. The natural appearance of arithmetic power in such a linguistic milieu is theoretically possible and practical for producing information systems of extremely high efficiency. In this case, the arithmetic symbols should be incorporated into an alphabet, i.e. the genetic code. A number is the fundamental arithmetic symbol produced by the system of numeration. If the system of numeration were detected inside the genetic code, it would be natural to expect that its purpose is arithmetic calculation e.g., for the sake of control, safety, and precise alteration of the genetic texts. The nucleons of amino acids and the bases of nucleic acids seem most suitable for embodiments of digits. These assumptions were used for the analyzing the genetic code.

The compressed, life-size, and split representation of the Escherichia coli and Euplotes octocarinatus code versions were considered simultaneously. An exact equilibration of the nucleon sums of the amino acid standard blocks and/or side chains was found repeatedly within specified sets of the genetic code. Moreover, the digital notations of the balanced sums acquired, in decimal representation, the unique form 111, 222, …, 999. This form is a consequence of the criterion of divisibility by 037. The criterion could simplify some computing mechanism of a cell if any and facilitate its computational procedure. The cooperative symmetry of the genetic code demonstrates that possibly a zero was invented and used by this mechanism. Such organization of the genetic code could be explained by activities of some hypothetical molecular organelles working as natural biocomputers of digital genetic texts.

It is well known that if mutation replaces an amino acid, the change of hydrophobicity is generally weak, while that of size is strong. The antisymmetrical correlation between the amino acid size and the degeneracy number is known as well. It is shown that these and some other familiar properties may be a physicochemical effect of arithmetic inside the genetic code.

The *frozen accident* model, giving unlimited freedom to the mapping function, could optimally support the appearance of both arithmetic symbols and physicochemical protection inside the genetic code."


Reference: Biosystems

Volume 70, Issue 3, August 2003, Pages 187-209

"Arithmetic inside the universal genetic code"

Author: Vladimir I. shCherbak

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar...4703000662

 

[Salvador]

And, it's not kosher -- yet another monument to the prescience of our traditions, Where else would one find a 3 millennium old prohibition against consuming SETI Salads?

Since I'm a gentile, I feel obliged only to observe the noahic covenant. Nevertheless, I have a Kosher rich diet. I used to enjoy eating pork, until I received a touch of the swine flu.

 

[Salvador]

. . . because it is a very tasty and nutritious food.

Maybe so, but are they self-aware, I could never eat any animal who has this attribute of self awareness.

 

[exchemist]

Good sir, do you think direct panspermia theorists are merely alien-of-the-gaps hypothesists? Is this what you really believe? How could anybody dare think this in spite of all the evidence we have been impacted by cosmic events and cosmic ancestors beyond our solar system?

Easily. There is no evidence that life on this earth originated from elsewhere. No life has been found elsewhere. Contrary to your assertion there is no evidence, at all, that we have been impacted by "cosmic ancestors". You are making this up. Nothing more complex that a few heterocyclic carbon compounds has ever been found in any object of extraterrestrial origin to date.

I do not rule out the panspermia hypothesis. But, like most of the science community, I see no need to invoke it without evidence cf. Ockham's Razor.

 

[Salvador]

Easily. There is no evidence that life on this earth originated from elsewhere. No life has been found elsewhere. Contrary to your assertion there is no evidence, at all, that we have been impacted by "cosmic ancestors". You are making this up. Nothing more complex that a few heterocyclic carbon compounds has ever been found in any object of extraterrestrial origin to date.

I do not rule out the panspermia hypothesis. But, like most of the science community, I see no need to invoke it without evidence cf. Ockham's Razor.

Besides all the strong evidence I've already mentioned ( i.e. shCherbak's Prime Quantum 037, Octopuses' unique RNA editing capabilities, observed drone craft/probe with maneuverability capabilities beyond any current aircraft launched from Earth ( i.e.- those drone/craft probes observed during the U.S.S. Nimitz incident of 2004 ) , there are many other cases to be made in favour of our common cosmic ancestry.

"We are calling the union of Lovelock's Gaia with Hoyle and Wickramasinghe's expanded theory of panspermia Cosmic Ancestry. This account of evolution and the origin of life on Earth is profoundly different from the prevailing scientific paradigm. The new theory challenges not merely the answers but the questions that are popular today. Cosmic Ancestry implies, we find, that life can only descend from ancestors at least as highly evolved as itself. And it means, we believe, that there can be no origin of life from nonbiological matter. Without supernatural intervention, therefore, we conclude that life must have always existed. Although these conclusions cut across the boundaries between science, philosophy, and religion, we believe they are grounded in good evidence. And new data that support many aspects of Cosmic Ancestry are coming in rapidly. In the following pages we will explain how these and other recent developments support Cosmic Ancestry:

19 May 1995: two scientists at Cal Poly showed that bacteria can survive without any metabolism for at least 25 million years; probably they are immortal.
24 November 1995: The New York Times described bacteria that can survive radiation much stronger than any that Earth has ever experienced.
7 August 1996: NASA announced fossilized evidence of ancient life in meteorite ALH 84001 from Mars.
27 October 1996: geneticists showed evidence that many genes are much older than the fossil record would indicate. Subsequent studies have strengthened this finding.
29 July 1997: a NASA scientist announced evidence of fossilized microscopic life forms in a meteorite not from any known planet.
Spring, 1998: a microfossil that was found in a meteorite and photographed in 1966, was recognized by a Russian microbiologist as a magnetotactic bacterium.
Fall, 1998: NASA's public position on life-from-space shifted dramatically.
4 January 1999: NASA officially recognized the possibility that life on Earth comes from space.
19 March 1999: NASA scientists announced that two more meteorites hold even stronger fossilized evidence for past life on Mars.
26 April 2000: the German team operating the mass spectrometer on NASA's Stardust mission announced the detection of very large organic molecules in space. Nonbiological sources for organic molecules so large are not known.
19 October 2000, a team of biologists and a geologist announced the revival of bacteria that are 250 million years old, strengthening that case that bacterial spores can be immortal.
13 December 2000: a NASA team demonstrated that the magnetosomes in Mars meteorite ALH 84001 are biological.
June 2002: Geneticists reported evidence that the evolutionary step from chimps to humans was assisted by viruses.
2 August 2004: Very convincing photos of fossilized cyanobacteria in a meteorite were reported by a NASA scientist.
25 January 2005: J. Craig Venter endorses panspermia.
10 May 2007: E. O. Wilson endorses panspermia.
18 April 2008: Richard Dawkins acknowledges the plausibility of panspermia.
7 April 2009: Stephen Hawking endorses panspermia.
2 May 2009: Freeman Dyson speaks favorably about panspermia.
3 March 2011: NASA's Richard Hoover publishes excellent images of microfossils in carbonaceous meteorites.
January 2013: A meteorite that fell, 29 December, in Sri Lanka, is seen to contain fossilized diatoms.
21 Dec 2017: Robert Zubrin endorses panspermia with logic and data.
18 Jan 2018: NASA designates a Planetary Protection Officer, "responsible for the protection of Earth from potential contamination by extraterrestrial life forms...."

..." the mainstream darwinian paradigm does not satisfactorily account for sustained evolutionary progress and the origin of life on Earth. " We will mention some of the flaws in the darwinian account, but our primary purpose is to present Cosmic Ancestry as a viable scientific account of apparent evolutionary progress and the origin of life on Earth."

Reference: Introduction: More than Panspermia. by Brig Klyce

 

[exchemist]

Besides all the strong evidence I've already mentioned ( i.e. shCherbak's Prime Quantum 037, Octopuses' unique RNA editing capabilities, observed drone craft/probe with maneuverability capabilities beyond any current aircraft launched from Earth ( i.e.- those drone/craft probes observed during the U.S.S. Nimitz incident of 2004 ) , there are many other cases to be made in favour of our cosmic ancestry.

"We are calling the union of Lovelock's Gaia with Hoyle and Wickramasinghe's expanded theory of panspermia Cosmic Ancestry. This account of evolution and the origin of life on Earth is profoundly different from the prevailing scientific paradigm. The new theory challenges not merely the answers but the questions that are popular today. Cosmic Ancestry implies, we find, that life can only descend from ancestors at least as highly evolved as itself. And it means, we believe, that there can be no origin of life from nonbiological matter. Without supernatural intervention, therefore, we conclude that life must have always existed. Although these conclusions cut across the boundaries between science, philosophy, and religion, we believe they are grounded in good evidence. And new data that support many aspects of Cosmic Ancestry are coming in rapidly. In the following pages we will explain how these and other recent developments support Cosmic Ancestry:

19 May 1995: two scientists at Cal Poly showed that bacteria can survive without any metabolism for at least 25 million years; probably they are immortal.
24 November 1995: The New York Times described bacteria that can survive radiation much stronger than any that Earth has ever experienced.
7 August 1996: NASA announced fossilized evidence of ancient life in meteorite ALH 84001 from Mars.
27 October 1996: geneticists showed evidence that many genes are much older than the fossil record would indicate. Subsequent studies have strengthened this finding.
29 July 1997: a NASA scientist announced evidence of fossilized microscopic life forms in a meteorite not from any known planet.
Spring, 1998: a microfossil that was found in a meteorite and photographed in 1966, was recognized by a Russian microbiologist as a magnetotactic bacterium.
Fall, 1998: NASA's public position on life-from-space shifted dramatically.
4 January 1999: NASA officially recognized the possibility that life on Earth comes from space.
19 March 1999: NASA scientists announced that two more meteorites hold even stronger fossilized evidence for past life on Mars.
26 April 2000: the German team operating the mass spectrometer on NASA's Stardust mission announced the detection of very large organic molecules in space. Nonbiological sources for organic molecules so large are not known.
19 October 2000, a team of biologists and a geologist announced the revival of bacteria that are 250 million years old, strengthening that case that bacterial spores can be immortal.
13 December 2000: a NASA team demonstrated that the magnetosomes in Mars meteorite ALH 84001 are biological.
June 2002: Geneticists reported evidence that the evolutionary step from chimps to humans was assisted by viruses.
2 August 2004: Very convincing photos of fossilized cyanobacteria in a meteorite were reported by a NASA scientist.
25 January 2005: J. Craig Venter endorses panspermia.
10 May 2007: E. O. Wilson endorses panspermia.
18 April 2008: Richard Dawkins acknowledges the plausibility of panspermia.
7 April 2009: Stephen Hawking endorses panspermia.
2 May 2009: Freeman Dyson speaks favorably about panspermia.
3 March 2011: NASA's Richard Hoover publishes excellent images of microfossils in carbonaceous meteorites.
January 2013: A meteorite that fell, 29 December, in Sri Lanka, is seen to contain fossilized diatoms.
21 Dec 2017: Robert Zubrin endorses panspermia with logic and data.
18 Jan 2018: NASA designates a Planetary Protection Officer, "responsible for the protection of Earth from potential contamination by extraterrestrial life forms...."

..." the mainstream darwinian paradigm does not satisfactorily account for sustained evolutionary progress and the origin of life on Earth. " We will mention some of the flaws in the darwinian account, but our primary purpose is to present Cosmic Ancestry as a viable scientific account of apparent evolutionary progress and the origin of life on Earth."

Reference: Introduction: More than Panspermia. by Brig Klyce

You have produced no evidence at all so far. You don't seem to understand what evidence is. Furthermore there is no confirmation of microbes, fossilised or otherwise, in any extraterrestrial object. (Referring to what looks like a crank website by a non-entity does not impress.)

Quite a number of scientists consider it possible that life came to earth from elsewhere, but that is something else entirely.

This is now getting silly and I have had enough of it.

 

[Salvador]

You have produced no evidence at all so far. You don't seem to understand what evidence is. Furthermore there is no confirmation of microbes, fossilised or otherwise, in any extraterrestrial object. (Referring to what looks like a crank website by a non-entity does not impress.)

Quite a number of scientists consider it possible that life came to earth from elsewhere, but that is something else entirely.

This is now getting silly and I have had enough of it.

Each person himself/herself should determine the validity of evidence put forth in support of our shared cosmic ancestry. If you choose to deny such evidence, that's your prerogative. I've got nothing more to add on this topic for now. Thank you for your participation.

 

[Salvador]

Thank you everybody who had participated in this discussion regarding the evidence put forth towards our cosmic ancestry. I've now got nothing more I wish to add about this topic. I'm happy to have conversed with many new members upon my return to this forum as-well as reacquainting myself with others who are still familiar to me from when I had previously visited this forum many months ago.

 

[Darkstorn]

Good sir, do you think direct panspermia theorists are merely alien-of-the-gaps hypothesists? Is this what you really believe? How could anybody dare think this in spite of all the evidence we have been impacted by cosmic events and cosmic ancestors beyond our solar system?

I dare think that.

 

[Salvador]

I dare think that.

I like your boldness. Verifiable theory encourages critical analysis and easily withstands such challenges.

 

[Darkstorn]

I like your boldness. Verifiable theory encourages critical analysis and easily withstands such challenges.

I don't think it's that bold to disagree with people who aren't convincing. Pretty standard fare to be honest.

 

[shunyadragon]

Maybe so, but are they self-aware, I could never eat any animal who has this attribute of self awareness.

The alternative is to be vegetarian. It is demonstrated that many of the animals in human diet have a degree of self-awareness. For example many if not most mammals dream.

 

[shunyadragon]

Each person himself/herself should determine the validity of evidence put forth in support of our shared cosmic ancestry. If you choose to deny such evidence, that's your prerogative. I've got nothing more to add on this topic for now. Thank you for your participation.

It is not adequate for each person should determine the validity of the evidence? put forth in support of our shared cosmic ancestry. This is chaotic and not science. I agree with @exchemist that you have failed to present any evidence whatsoever in support of panspermia,