When the Bab wrote to a Muslim Divine He wrote:
Verily all the divines in the land of Káf [Kúfih] shall, even as thyself, be asked by God: ‘Is it not strange that a Messenger should have come to you with a Book, and ye, while confessing your powerlessness, refused to follow the Faith of God which He had brought, and ye persisted in your disbelief?’
Bahá'í Reference Library - Selections From the Writings of the Báb, Pages 31-34
Are you denying such clear statements?
You see the difference between the Quran and Bahai Scriptures. Why is it so hard to produce a statement that resembles the Quran if you claim it to be from the same God and claims that it is the same type.
I am not denying that he tried to make himself look like a Messenger. I am pointing out the fact that this Messenger for some reason never explicitly stated himself to be a Messenger. This kind of failure must be due to God not allowing him the grace of being able to do such for you to witness this great difference between him and other Messengers.
Are you denying His writings that He revealed a Book from God?
Is this not clear enough?
"Is it not enough that We sent thee the BooK?" see Quran
According to Muslim scholars, a Messenger is One who bring scriptures from God.
Read the definition of Prophet and Messenger:
Prophets and messengers in Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I will say once again, anyone can fabricate books. Do not act like you will believe the next person down the line who produces a book to claim Prophethood. And I want you to find me from the Quran the concept that a Messenger is the only person who receives a Book. I don't know where this idea originated in Orthodox Islam but I can show you one verse and meanings of the actual words to show you what it really means. But if Bab and Baha'ullah were truly Messengers I am sure you can yourself give a better explanation of the meaning of these titles under the light of their teachings that fixed interpretations.
Moreover, the verse does not mean believe every guy who shows you a Book. That is so foolish. There are specific qualities of the Quran that it states cannot be matched. That is how we test a Book.
I understand that, some of the Anti-Baha'i websites, talk about, that Bab did not claim to be a Messenger. But don't you think that is a false opinion?
YOu really don't see these are baseless ways, trying to desprately dispute with Truths.
Truths that Are Written in front of eyes. Not even Hadithes.
I am confused. What Truth am I denying? I am not denying that he tried to appear like a Messenger.
He (Muhammad Ali Bab) began to call his own writings as revealed and claimed these to be the word of God Almighty.
But a close investigation has disclosed that in actual fact he had himself never claimed to have received any revelation through any angel. (Bab-al-Hayat, p. 4)
"This idea of the Shaikh (‘Abdul Salam) that the Bab and Baha’ullah claimed prophethood for
themselves is altogether wrong and imaginary. Everyone acquainted with Baha’i literature knows
fully well that this claim is neither to be found in the Alwah, nor have any of their followers used this word
in regard to them" (Abdul Fadal, Al-Fara’id, page 275.)
"Baha’ullah, ‘Abdul Baha’, or the Bab, none of them ever claimed to be a prophet" (Al-Baha’iya, pg 49)
"Neither does the word Nabi (Prophet) occur in the Ayah Mubaarakah, nor has the Promised One of
the Furqan been called a nabi nor do the Baha’is take Hadrat Baha’ullah as a prophet: and this has been
openly proclaimed a number of times in Kaukab-e-Hind" (Kaukab-e-Hind. Delhi, Volume VI, Number 4, May 17, 1928.)
"The Baha’is hold that the epoch of prophethood has come to an end. They hold that prophethood has come to an end even
among the followers of Muhammad. But of course they do not hold that the Power of God has come to an end.
Therefore they accept a new manifestation of the power, which goes a step beyond prophethood,
implying thereby the end of the epoch of prophethood. This is the reason why the Bha’is never say that
prophethood has not ended and that the Promised One of all the religions is a nabi or rasul. What they say is
this that advent was a Mustaqil Khuda’i Zahur" (Kaukab-e-Hind Volume VI, Number 6, June 24, 1928.)
Many of things they say are quite false, as they are biased.
When He wrote and sent His writing to others, with claiming He has a Book, and He is a Messenger, it is quite irretional to say He did not claim explicitly to be a Messenger.
Just my opinion anyways...
I think every person has a different perception. If you really believe the Bab did not claim explicitly, that is fine, as you are entitled to your opinion.
See the Bahai position above. I think you yourself are misinformed. Ask your Missionaries.
But you need to consider, the biased websites like, the Anti-Baha'i sites, they concentrate on something that they imagine, then they exagerate it, in order to dispute with the truths. But I think, that's only a game. It is very similar way, the previous generations acted.
See the Bahai position above. I think you yourself are misinformed. Ask your Missionaries.
"Unless an angel be sent down and take part in His warnings, we will not believe." Quran 25:7
‘Bring back our fathers, if ye speak the truth!’ Quran 45:24
Just similar excuses...
Am I making an excuse that this person never claimed to be a Messenger but I should accept him as one?
When the Bahai position is posted above I think you should fix your position.
I never asked anything stupid like bring life to the dead or show me angels. I asked for something so simple, that you yourself are awed by failing to produce. If the Bahai scriptures were like the Quran this should be no challenge at all. I tested these scriptures the way they are mean't to be. According to Bahai claims. You have yet to answer this aspect.
Why He did not explicitly say He was a Messenger. Well, I leave that to you to judge
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I reject him currently because he is unlike any other Messenger. He does things so differently then other Messengers. Why? He doesn't match the Quranic concept of a Messenger.
