Russia May Have Just Given Ukraine Terms for Ending War

[We Never Know]

Will that be acceptable?

"A top Kremlin official on Saturday suggested Russia could agree to an end to the war in Ukraine if a key condition is met.

During a press conference at the United Nations General Assembly, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov indicated Russia would recognize Ukraine's borders prior to Moscow's invasion if Kyiv pledges to not join a military alliance.

Since Russian President Vladimir Putin began the war on February 24, 2022, he and Kremlin officials have cited various justifications for the conflict. But one of the most frequently stated reasons is Putin's opposition to the expansion of NATO on his country's borders, and he is said to be especially against Ukraine becoming a member of the military bloc."

MSN

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[Shadow Wolf]

Will that be acceptable?

Is Putin Trustable? That will be for Ukraine to decide, though in the long haul I don't seem him honoring it and using internation aid to Uktraine as an excuse to cry foul the next time he invades.

 

[Left Coast]

Will that be acceptable?

"A top Kremlin official on Saturday suggested Russia could agree to an end to the war in Ukraine if a key condition is met.

During a press conference at the United Nations General Assembly, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov indicated Russia would recognize Ukraine's borders prior to Moscow's invasion if Kyiv pledges to not join a military alliance.

Since Russian President Vladimir Putin began the war on February 24, 2022, he and Kremlin officials have cited various justifications for the conflict. But one of the most frequently stated reasons is Putin's opposition to the expansion of NATO on his country's borders, and he is said to be especially against Ukraine becoming a member of the military bloc."

MSN

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If that's their opening bid, they can be talked down. Perhaps to an agreement that Ukraine not join for a certain number of years. Or that Russia return Crimea as well.

 

[Subduction Zone]

To me it would be. Russia is pretty much admitting defeat. If Russia goes back on its word Ukraine could probably easily join NATO. Finland joined NATO because of this attack. I am unsure if any other of Russia's neighbors are considering it. The Ukraine would probably eventually drive Russia out, but at what cost?0

 

[Estro Felino]

To me it would be. Russia is pretty much admitting defeat. If Russia goes back on its word Ukraine could probably easily join NATO. Finland joined NATO because of this attack. I am unsure if any other of Russia's neighbors are considering it. The Ukraine would probably eventually drive Russia out, but at what cost?0

What Americans did with us Italians in 1943.
We asked for an armistice and they imposed us to join their military alliance as condition.

 

[Estro Felino]

So it's Zelenskyy who wants to keep fighting, no matter what.
That's horrific.

We have a belligerent party (Ukraine) and we have a party that ask for an armistice and for peace.

 

[Glaurung]

"We'll end the war if you promise not to join any military alliances. Because we may need to invade you again at some future point."

It's not as if Russia hasn't promised to never invade Ukraine before.

 

[Subduction Zone]

What Americans did with us Italians in 1943.
We asked for an armistice and they imposed us to join their military alliance as condition.

But the United States are God, while Russia is nothing...right?

Italy was in the wrong if you remember. You know the Russia apologists have been claiming that there are Nazis in the Ukraine army? Italy was part of the Nazi fighting forces. Your country was definitely in the wrong and got a sweetheart deal.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So it's Zelenskyy who want to keep fighting, no matter what.

That's disgusting.

We have a belligerent party (Ukraine) and we have a party that ask for an armistice and for peace.

NO, that is not true either. Russia rightfully does owe Ukraine for invading them. Perhaps this is not good enough for them.


If your neighbor stole your car and wrecked it would you be satisfied if he just gave you the ruined car back?

 

[Estro Felino]

Italy was in the wrong if you remember.

What I said earlier.
America is always on the right side.
Russia is always on the wrong side (even if it's Russia who defeated the Nazis in Berlin, let's drop that).

 

[Copernicus]

Will that be acceptable?

"A top Kremlin official on Saturday suggested Russia could agree to an end to the war in Ukraine if a key condition is met.

During a press conference at the United Nations General Assembly, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov indicated Russia would recognize Ukraine's borders prior to Moscow's invasion if Kyiv pledges to not join a military alliance.

Since Russian President Vladimir Putin began the war on February 24, 2022, he and Kremlin officials have cited various justifications for the conflict. But one of the most frequently stated reasons is Putin's opposition to the expansion of NATO on his country's borders, and he is said to be especially against Ukraine becoming a member of the military bloc."

MSN

www.msn.com

That would not be acceptable for many reasons, the most obvious one being that Russia does not have a good track record on sticking to any agreement that it makes. Joining a military alliance with Russia would mean complete capitulation for Ukraine, since Russia would immediately assume full control of the entire country. Anyone who had played a role in resisting the advance would either be executed or imprisoned. All opposition would be crushed, the Ukrainian language and culture suppressed, and probably the assimilation of Moldova, as well. Next on the agenda would likely be an aggressive posture towards countries in central and western Europe. The Baltic countries would be pressured to leave NATO, and a land corridor to Kaliningrad could probably be another possibility for Russian expansion. China would also feel emboldened to pursue its expansionist policies in Asia, since Russia, a much less powerful country, would become an example of what could be achieved by naked aggression.

 

[Estro Felino]

NO, that is not true either. Russia rightfully does owe Ukraine for invading them. Perhaps this is not good enough for them.


If your neighbor stole your car and wrecked it would you be satisfied if he just gave you the ruined car back?

Why didn't Ukraine respect the Minsk agreements?
Why didn't Ukraine comply with them?
Thank you in advance.

Ukraine doesn't respect agreements, as long as it will be bribed by Washington DC.

 

[Estro Felino]

You know the Russia apologists have been claiming that there are Nazis in the Ukraine army? Italy was part of the Nazi fighting forces. Your country was definitely in the wrong and got a sweetheart deal.

Then why are you guys siding with ultra-Nationalists (former Ukrainian Nazis) this time?

 

[Subduction Zone]

What I said earlier.
America is God and is always on the right side.

Russia is the devil and is always on the wrong side.

No, where do you get that nonsense from? Sometimes America screws up. Sometimes America is doing the right thing. During WWII Italy screwed up big time. They were in the wrong and still got a sweetheart deal. We would have been justified in running roughshod over the country but we used restraint. If Russia had been attacking through Italy there would have been nothing left.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Then why are you guys siding with ultra-Nationalists (former Ukrainian Nazis) this time?

We aren't. That is a blatant lie about the Ukraine. You know that you are in the wrong here. The question is why on Earth are you supporting Russia.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Why didn't Ukraine respect the Minsk agreements?
Why didn't Ukraine comply with them?
Thank you in advance.

Ukraine doesn't respect agreements, as long as it's a corrupt land bribed by Washington DC.

You lost that argument a long long time ago. After a while I charge people for answers when they cannot be honest interlocutors.

 

[Estro Felino]

No, where do you get that nonsense from? Sometimes America screws up. Sometimes America is doing the right thing. During WWII Italy screwed up big time. They were in the wrong and still got a sweetheart deal. We would have been justified in running roughshod over the country but we used restraint. If Russia had been attacking through Italy there would have been nothing left.

For the record, the king had already had Mussolini arrested, the fascism had fallen, and a new Prime Minister had been nominated.
So Italy had passed on the other side before the armistice.
We did do the right thing.

That's what I am saying: for the sake of peace, Ukrainians would do the right thing. They would get all those regions back and join the Russian alliance.

 

[Estro Felino]

You lost that argument a long long time ago. After a while I charge people for answers when they cannot be honest interlocutors.

I am an European citizen. I speak five European languages. I know what happens here.
Ukrainians didn't comply with the Minsk agreements.
That's why Putin invaded.

 

[Subduction Zone]

For the record, the king had already had Mussolini arrested, the fascism had fallen, and a new Prime Minister had been nominated.
So Italy had passed on the other side before the Americans landed in Italy.
We did do the right thing.

That's what I am saying: for the sake of peace, Ukrainians would do the right thing. They would get all those regions back and join the Russian alliance.

So what? How does that help you? They could read the writing on the wall. Germany had overextended themselves and Italy became disposable. And I count Sicily as part of Italy. Don't you? There was heavy fighting on Sicily. When we had kicked the Germans out of Sicily that the Italians knew that they were toast.

 

[Estro Felino]

We aren't. That is a blatant lie about the Ukraine. You know that you are in the wrong here. The question is why on Earth are you supporting Russia.

I want to prevent the United States from keeping using Ukrainian soldiers as cannon fodder.