We Never Know
No Slack
The end of the war has to start somewhere.
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Russia May Have Just Given Ukraine Terms for Ending War
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It ends with millitary defeat of Russia and ouster of Putin and his cabal from power in Moscow.
Sounds reasonable to me! The US should've been negotiating peace from the start instead of being warmongers, but that's par for the course for the DC criminal cabal. How's those Rayetheon stocks?!
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
It's reasonable to you that states can threaten (and enact) violence against other states and make demands of them that can determine the future security of that state to the benefit of the invading state?
It's reasonable that powerful states get to use violence and the threat of continued violence to get what they want?
Russia made the decision to invade, and made the decision not to entertain peace negotiations. Not the US.
We Never Know
No Slack
IMO thats part of the plan. That's why so many countries are providing Ukraine with so much military support/aid They didn't want to go against Russia so they are using poor ole Ukraine to do what they didnt want to do. Even if Ukraine loses it still takes a big toll on Russia.
We Never Know
No Slack
Many times peace talks are the option to go to. This time not so much. Several countries instead have been giving much military support/aid hoping Ukraine might win or at least wear Russia down. Ukraine its being used to do the dirty work of others countries IMO
I am pretty sure Ukraine wants the weapons as they wish to survive as an independent nation and not get conquered by Russia. I think it's Russia that is causing Ukraine's suffering while NATO trying to help Ukraine. It's will help Ukraine if they can use NATO's help and is able to take back the lands Russia has taken from them by force. If NATO support remains unwavering they should be able to accomplish this objective over the next few years.
Or the Americans or Chinese..
Yes, they are fighting a stupid proxy war with Russia. I say enough. They've bled the taxpayers dry enough over this nonsense. It's time for peace. If the US wants to lead and show the way forward, we need to stop being warmongers and arming criminal extremist thugs to do dirty work for us, like we did in the Middle East. We never learn. Another day in the life of a collapsing empire.
So far, nobody has ever demonstrated that it's not the US who wants to attack Russia to conquer it and is using a territorial dispute in Ukraine as pretext to do it.
Have you ever demonstrated the contrary, by chance?
Maybe Americans haven't understood yet that Russia is afraid of being attacked by the USA because the USA wants to seize Russian resources.
That is why they fear that Ukraine can become as NATO base where to lead the operations.
We Never Know
No Slack
All NATO has to do is take Ukraine in then the war is a NATO problem. So why is NATO holding off?? Why isn't the US and the other countries pushing hard to get them into NATO? Because no one wants to go against Russia. Instead Ukraine its being used to wear down the bear.
Edit....
Just the U.S. has sent more than $70 billion worth of aid to Ukraine since Russian troops crossed its border last year. No telling how much more from the other countries.
$70 billion probably could have bought them into NATO.
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Audie
Veteran Member
Wars end when someone loses.
Ukraine has lost.
Non-jurists disbelieve in bargains?
That is your issue with Russia's invasion of Ukraine?If the POTUS signs an affidavit where he certifies that nobody in the US has ever bribed Zelenskyy in order to use Ukrainian soldiers as cannon fodder, I will be convinced.
Quid pro quo
Do ut des.
She isn't sharing it with us.
Non-existent crimes are best judged by non-existent entities.
YES.
Because I suspect someone is forcing the Government of Kiev to continue the war to the last Ukrainian.
As I have already told someone else here, tell your compatriots that as soon as Ukraine joins the EU, Europeans will do anything to prevent the United States from using Ukrainians as pawns for a proxy war. And from using Ukraine as a battlefield.
Thank you.
Ukraine will become a prosperous, peaceful, pacifist country.
Europeans don't do much of anything.
Except attack each other now & then.
We Never Know
No Slack
It could be the 'yous'