Russia May Have Just Given Ukraine Terms for Ending War

[Copernicus]

The Jews.
It's gotta be the Jews.
Or the Scots.

No true Scotsman would force Kiev to continue the war to the last Ukrainian.

 

[Audie]

The Jews.
It's gotta be the Jews.
Or the Scots.

We chinese are the ones behind it all.

When you see the real winner you
will see i am right

 

[Revoltingest]

We chinese are the ones behind it all.

When you see the real winner you
will see i am right

Chinese are just puppets of the Jews.

 

[sayak83]

All NATO has to do is take Ukraine in then the war is a NATO problem. So why is NATO holding off?? Why isn't the US and the other countries pushing hard to get them into NATO? Because no one wants to go against Russia. Instead Ukraine its being used to wear down the bear.

Edit....
Just the U.S. has sent more than $70 billion worth of aid to Ukraine since Russian troops crossed its border last year. No telling how much more from the other countries.

$70 billion probably could have bought them into NATO.

Ukraine in NATO will mean a direct US-Russia war with possible nuclear implications. People do not want to risk that. Further Ukraine does not have the kind of transparent government (yet) for it to join NATO. Putting Turkey in NATO was a mistake.

 

[F1fan]

Ukraine in NATO will mean a direct US-Russia war with possible nuclear implications. People do not want to risk that. Further Ukraine does not have the kind of transparent government (yet) for it to join NATO. Putting Turkey in NATO was a mistake.

If Russia were to attack a NATO country the response would be mutual. If Russia launches nuclear on any nation then they have crossed the line, and who knows what happens next. They haven't used nuclear so it seems they know that is a line not to cross, for their own sake.

 

[PureX]

So far, nobody has ever demonstrated that it's not the US who wants to attack Russia to conquer it and is using a territorial dispute in Ukraine as pretext to do it.

The fact that the U.S. has not attacked Russia and claimed it's territory as it's own is pretty good evidence that the U.S. has no intention of doing that.

The fact that Russia has attacked Ukraine and claimed it's territory as it's own is very good evidence that it intended and still intends to do that.

Can you see the difference, here?

Have you ever demonstrated the contrary, by chance?

Reality has demonstrated that your theory is absurd.

Maybe Americans haven't understood yet that Russia is afraid of being attacked by the USA because the USA wants to seize Russian resources.

If Russians are afraid of being attacked, it's because someone is lying to them.

That is why they fear that Ukraine can become as NATO base where to lead the operations.

Well, thanks to Russia's attacking Ukraine, they have every reason, now, to join NATO. And no reason not to.

 

[exchemist]

All NATO has to do is take Ukraine in then the war is a NATO problem. So why is NATO holding off?? Why isn't the US and the other countries pushing hard to get them into NATO? Because no one wants to go against Russia. Instead Ukraine its being used to wear down the bear.

Edit....
Just the U.S. has sent more than $70 billion worth of aid to Ukraine since Russian troops crossed its border last year. No telling how much more from the other countries.

$70 billion probably could have bought them into NATO.

If you admit Ukraine while it is still fighting a Russian invasion you immediately have WW3.

 

[exchemist]

Yes, they are fighting a stupid proxy war with Russia. I say enough. They've bled the taxpayers dry enough over this nonsense. It's time for peace. If the US wants to lead and show the way forward, we need to stop being warmongers and arming criminal extremist thugs to do dirty work for us, like we did in the Middle East. We never learn. Another day in the life of a collapsing empire.

I don't think my next door neighbours would take kindly to their soldiers being described as "extremist thugs."

 

[Estro Felino]

The fact that the U.S. has not attacked Russia and claimed it's territory as it's own is pretty good evidence that the U.S. has no intention of doing that.

Because they want the cake and eat it. They want to do something unfair and unjust, and appear as saints.
So they need a pretext.

As they needed false pretexts in the Iraqi war (buzz Powell Colin for clarifications) and the Vietnam war (Mac Namara said the Tonkin incident never happpened).

The fact that Russia has attacked Ukraine and claimed it's territory as it's own is very good evidence that it intended and still intends to do that.

Because they fear the USA. They don't fear us Europeans who have always been in good terms with Russia.
In fact Putin accepts that Ukraine joins the EU, but doesn't accept that Ukraine joins the NATO. Just ask yourself this question and answer it.

If Russia is afraid of being attacked, it's because someone is lying to them.

I am sorry....Russia is more and more reliable, these days.
They didn't attack Libya...it was Obama and Hillary.

Do you have any idea of what that meant for my country?
Is that what you call "respect for your allies"?

Well, thanks to Russia's attack, they have every reason, now, to join NATO. And no reason not to.

Precisely.
But they will have to join the EU first.

 

[PureX]

Because they want the cake and eat it. They want to do something unfair and unjust, and appear as saints.
So they need a pretext.

As they needed false pretexts in the Iraqi war (buzz Powell Colin for clarifications) and the Vietnam war (Mac Namara said the Tonkin incident never

Exactly. When the US wants to attack another nation, it will invent a pretext and attack. Just as Russia has done to Ukraine. Yet the US has not attacked Russia. So clearly, it does not want to. And there is no pretext for it being spread here in the US or elsewhere. Except in your mind.

Because they fear the USA. They don't fear us Europeans who have always been in good terms with Russia.

It's Putin the Russians need to fear. He's going to destroy them all with his insane ego.

In fact Putin accepts that Ukraine joins the EU, but doesn't accept that Ukraine joins the NATO. Just ask yourself this question and answer it.

Putin has caused Ukraine to join NATO as soon as they are able. He has ensured the very thing he claimed to fear. So he is either lying, or he is very stupid.

I am sorry....Russia is more and more reliable, these days.
They didn't attack Libya...it was Obama and Hillary.

Do you have any idea of what that meant for my country?
Is that what you call "respect for your allies"?


Precisely.
But they will have to join the EU first.

 

[Sargonski]

Exactly. When the US wants to attack another nation, it will invent a pretext and attack. Just as Russia has done to Ukraine. Yet the US has not attacked Russia. So clearly, it does not want to. And there is no pretext for it being spread here in the US or elsewhere. Except in your mind.

It's Putin the Russians need to fear. He's going to destroy them all with his insane ego.

Putin has caused Ukraine to join NATO as soon as they are able. He has ensured the very thing he claimed to fear. So he is either lying, or he is very stupid.

The Russians really like Putin .. and how is Putin going to detroy them all ? You are not making sense. Putin has been making brilliant moves on the Geopolitical Chess-Board .. and as far as the war .. kept his ego well in check.

The poster did not claim any pretext for spread to the US .. and this war is likely to wind up soon .. as Ukraine/Nato is defeated - out of proxy soldiers and out of ammo - and out of the will to continue.

Putin has not caused Ukraine to Join Nato by this war .. Ukraine was set to join Nato as soon as the US managed to install a pro west regime .. part of the reason Crimea was annexed .. which is not a lie .. and was very smart on the part of beloved Vlad .... as Svestopol will not be turning into a NATO Port while it is part of Russia .. alleviating the fear.

You have got some kind of propaganda perspective going on ..

 

[Sargonski]

The fact that the U.S. has not attacked Russia and claimed it's territory as it's own is pretty good evidence that the U.S. has no intention of doing that.

The fact that Russia has attacked Ukraine and claimed it's territory as it's own is very good evidence that it intended and still intends to do that.

Can you see the difference, here?

Reality has demonstrated that your theory is absurd.

If Russians are afraid of being attacked, it's because someone is lying to them.

Well, thanks to Russia's attacking Ukraine, they have every reason, now, to join NATO. And no reason not to.

US putting missiles (nuclear capable) on Russia's borders is evidence for what pray tell .. other than this reality demonstrates that your theory is absurd.

Have you never heard of the Munroe doctring friend ? How about the "Cuban Missile Crisis" care to share what that was all about .. and tell us why the comment "If US was afraid of being attacked its because someone is lying to them" would be a moronic absurdity - basically claiming nuclear weapons welded by the enemy are not scary.

 

[PureX]

The Russians really like Putin .. and how is Putin going to detroy them all ? You are not making sense. Putin has been making brilliant moves on the Geopolitical Chess-Board .. and as far as the war .. kept his ego well in check.

The Russian people are not nearly so enamored with Putin as you claim. I have seen many Russians interviewed on the street. The older ones, that grew up under the Soviet Union love Putin and everything he does. But everyone else is very mixed on him, or afraid to speak, meaning they are not supportive, but fear saying so in public.

The poster did not claim any pretext for spread to the US .. and this war is likely to wind up soon .. as Ukraine/Nato is defeated - out of proxy soldiers and out of ammo - and out of the will to continue.

And yet the Russian army has been pushed back, and continues to be pushed back. Because it doesn't take a lot of soldiers to fire a missile. And Ukraine is not going to run out of missiles.

Putin has not caused Ukraine to Join Nato by this war .. Ukraine was set to join Nato as soon as the US managed to install a pro west regime .. part of the reason Crimea was annexed .. which is not a lie .. and was very smart on the part of beloved Vlad .... as Svestopol will not be turning into a NATO Port while it is part of Russia .. alleviating the fear.

Ukraine will join NATO for sure, now, when the fighting stops. They will have to, to protect themselves from further Russian attack and incursion.

You have got some kind of propaganda perspective going on ..

We will see.

 

[Estro Felino]

Exactly. When the US wants to attack another nation, it will invent a pretext and attack. Just as Russia has done to Ukraine. Yet the US has not attacked Russia. So clearly, it does not want to. And there is no pretext for it being spread here in the US or elsewhere. Except in your mind.

Because in Europe they cannot do that.
There are German, French, Italian, Polish intelligence services which would discover the false pretext.
So they opted for a proxy war.

 

[Stevicus]

Exactly. When the US wants to attack another nation, it will invent a pretext and attack. Just as Russia has done to Ukraine. Yet the US has not attacked Russia. So clearly, it does not want to. And there is no pretext for it being spread here in the US or elsewhere. Except in your mind.

The reason the U.S. has not attacked Russia is the same reason that we don't attack China and the same reason that neither of them attack us. However, for the same reason, we can rest assured that Putin will not attack any NATO country.

However, there are those who maintain that if they try to make peace with Putin, it will only encourage him to invade NATO countries. People are stating this as if they believe it to be fact, even though there's not a shred of evidence to prove it.

It's upon this supposition that many believe Ukraine should be given a blank check by the U.S. The sensible thing to do right now is to make peace - even if it means Ukraine might lose some territory. But there are people who erroneously believe this would be "appeasement" and only encourage Putin to invade the rest of Europe, but there's absolutely zero basis to hold such a viewpoint.

It's Putin the Russians need to fear. He's going to destroy them all with his insane ego.

Putin has caused Ukraine to join NATO as soon as they are able. He has ensured the very thing he claimed to fear. So he is either lying, or he is very stupid.

Putin is a mobster who's apparently deluded himself into believing he has become the Tsar of all the Russias (to include White Russia and Little Russia, it seems). The people may fear him, but it's entirely likely that they fear the West even more. The common response from Westerners is that "Well, they have no reason to fear the West. We Westerners are so nice and wonderful, why would anyone be afraid of little old us?"

 

[PureX]

Because in Europe they cannot do that.
There are German, French, Italian, Polish intelligence services which would discover the false pretext.
So they opted for a proxy war.

But it was Russia that started the war. How did the US orchestrate that?

 

[We Never Know]

Exactly. When the US wants to attack another nation, it will invent a pretext and attack. Just as Russia has done to Ukraine. Yet the US has not attacked Russia. So clearly, it does not want to. And there is no pretext for it being spread here in the US or elsewhere. Except in your mind.

It's Putin the Russians need to fear. He's going to destroy them all with his insane ego.

Putin has caused Ukraine to join NATO as soon as they are able. He has ensured the very thing he claimed to fear. So he is either lying, or he is very stupid.

"Yet the US has not attacked Russia. So clearly, it does not want to"

Exactly but we can fund a country with weapons and everything we can to try to wear Russia down.
We are in the war in every way except physically.

There are nine countries that possess nuclear weapons: the United States, Russia, France, China, the United Kingdom, Pakistan, India, Israel, and North Korea.

No one clearly wants to attack any of them.

 

[PureX]

"Yet the US has not attacked Russia. So clearly, it does not want to"

Exactly but we can fund a country with weapons and everything we can to try to wear Russia down.
We are in the war in every way except physically.

Welcome to geopolitics. How was Putin too stupid to see this coming? And it's not just the US helping Ukraine.

There are nine countries that possess nuclear weapons: the United States, Russia, France, China, the United Kingdom, Pakistan, India, Israel, and North Korea.

No one clearly wants to attack any of them.

Nor can we allow any one of them to use that deterrence to attack and pillage other countries.

 

[We Never Know]

Welcome to geopolitics. How was Putin too stupid to see this coming? And it's not just the US helping Ukraine.

Nor can we allow any one of them to use that deterrence to attack and pillage other countries.

People should realize the US(or any country)doesn't want to directly attack Russia but they can aid and arm a country like its their own private army to use for doing their bidding.

 

[PureX]

People should realize the US(or any country)doesn't want to directly attack Russia but they can aid and arm a country like its their own private army to use for doing their bidding.

Any nation can and will do that if they think their own interests are at stake. Russia included. Putin thought Ukraine would fall so swiftly before his mighty Russian army that he could take what he wanted before the western alliance nations could help the Ukrainians fend off the attack. And he was wrong. So now he's gotten Russia into another one of those proxy war quagmires, like Afghanistan, or Vietnam, or Korea. Increasingly, since WW2, these wars are becoming proxy wars between the major powers. Putin certainly knew this when he invaded Ukraine. He just thought he'd get away with it. But instead, he's shown his army to be weaker than everyone thought, and the invasion is costing the country dearly every day it goes on, and in the end he may not get anything that he was trying to get. It may even end up costing him his life, as regime change in Russia tends to go like that.