Subduction Zone
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To bad that you cannot support that story
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Russia May Have Just Given Ukraine Terms for Ending War
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I am uncontradictable.
Ah, to be precise, as an Italian I can say that Russia is a dangerous country, since it has invaded an neighboring country.
I can say that because in the last 80 years, my country has never bothered anyone. We've gained the title of pacifist country.
A pot that calls the kettle black sounds very ugly. So the US should avoid.
Oh you live in Russia do you .. suprising that you are not pro Putin .. most are .. but I am not Russian Friend .. don't live in Mother Russia .. so have no love of Putin .. and of course Biden has to do with many things related to the topic .. "Ending the War" .. so what is this crybaby nonsense "nothing ANYONE says will make a difference to you" because your position was crucified .. and is you the one who can't take correction .... projecting your failings onto others ... in a complete abject failure to address the topic or anything I posted.
"what Im hearing on the street" -- was shown to be propaganda - so why are you returning to vomit .. hoping it will not smell so bad the second time. ? Go find me what the Street has to say about the 155 mm artillery shell problem .. and prove your claim .. cause you got to go right off the turnip ranch to find sources that will claim what you did about Ukraine running out of ammo ..
Too bad you have yet to understand what constitutes a valid argument
What is with this love of authoratarianism of the most horrible collectivist kind..
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Projection again. You do not seem to understand that you have the same burden of proof as those that oppose you do. You do not seem to think that you have to properly support your nonsense.Too bad you have yet to understand what constitutes a valid argument
I don't claim certainty.
I've come to expect moronic whataboutism.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
That's a funny way to describe a nation that sometimes is at war against other European nations.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Enough his opposition goes missing, gets thrown in jail and gets killed.
Then you need try to expect more of yourself .. starting with addressing the topic at some point in a post .. as anything else would be not whataboutism but the moronic part fits don't you agree. Nothing but personal invective is fine on the playground ... but in the Adult room we aspire to more .. part of which is understanding what the words you use mean .. and using terms that are not as you say "moronic" then when this flawed use of a term demonstrated .. continue to do the same thing as if correction was not received .. kind of those banging head against same wall time after time but expecting it not to hurt the next time.
Now -- what is the subject you wished to discuss .. were you still having trouble understanding why the West is in propaganda Mode ? .... cause we in a war silly .. always goes that way .... Did you learn nothing from the lead up to the War in Iraq ? the Syrian Slaughter ..now there .. there we had some war crimes .. Ukraine is a cake walk for the citizens by comparison .. your beloved authoritarian Vlado some kind of Gentle Giant by comparison .. cause we like comparisons .. don't we
Stats .. everyone always calling for Stats .. then cry like baby when you give them What we have 30K dead civilians in this war . Biden's previous JV Team proxy war killed some 500,0000 civilians .. had exiting stuff like Genocide .. daily Executions mass rapes .. forced marriage .. a new Islamic State which lasted some 3 or 4 years .. Dark age style Now there we have some war crimes .. Biden the massive war criminal in this story .. Funny the ICC has yet to get to that one .. after Yemen .. tarring Obama with compliity in war crimes in Yemen .. got muffled .. well .. except for when Ukraine started .. fancy that .. OH Well .. Nothing like arming supporting .. supplying Al Qaeda and ISIS .. our Brothers through 2 wars - fought and died for our cause. Looks like the Islamists this time are on Putin's side for some reason .. some of these folks cut teeth in Syria .. what nation is that Khakistan .. one of the stans .. Proudly fighting for Vlad ... and well .. happy to fight the Western NATO Infidel .. few more glorious causes than that.
Copernicus
Industrial Strength Linguist
If you don't live in Russia, then how do you know how Russians generally feel about Putin?
Sargonski, what makes you think that you know anything at all about Russian citizens think or face? Do you even read Russian or know a lot of Russians? Where do you come by this information, and how do you know that it isn't you being taken in by propaganda?
and met that burden of proof .. used your own numbers to prove my claim true. Are you having trouble figureing out what Truth is .. you agree with the figure 12.5 per 10,000 SAE -- "near death experience" by definition
Why are you calling your own numbers nonsense .. those numbers are my support for claim ? Once again shooting your legs out from under an already crucified position.
but if you disagree then tell us and tell us what you are claiming is Safe for 17 year old Timmy -- healthy as an ox and has natural immunity already. is it 1 in 100 .. 1 in 10 ? This is the tenth time you been asked to clarify your position .. do we Jab Timmy or not ... and why ?
I gave you my answer .. definitely not .. Timmy has little risk of harm from Omicron to begin with .. so little benefit in taking the Jab .. but 1.25 per 1000 is huge .. but .. wait a minute hold on here .. doesn't this work out to 1 in 800
.. ouchie .. bang bang bang those nails in further. Did I tell you that the SAR for the Swine Flue Vax .. when hit 1 in 100,000 .. too dangerous .. took it off the shelves. Not Safe.
but you ... Mr. "Support your nonsense" want to claim that 1 in 800 is "Safe" .. and thats the average over all groups.. Males 16-30 unfortunately - have a 300% higher risk of myocharditis from the Jab .. so they are down somewhere at 1 in 200. ... and as luck would have it .. the son of a close friend of ours 21 healthy - spend 3 days in the hospital on morphine the chest pains were so bad .. will be scarred for life.
Is that "Safe" how about Jabbing 3 times a year for 10 years .. that gets us down to less than 1 in 10 .. is that "Safe ? ..
And here is the definition of Serious Adverse Event .. Death or life threatening with real risk of death ..
COVID-19 vaccine safety: Understanding the data on side effects following immunization - Canada.ca
Information about any adverse events following immunization (AEFI) that individuals have reported after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine in Canada. These adverse events are not necessarily related to the vaccine.
and met that burden of proof .. used your own numbers to prove my claim true. Are you having trouble figureing out what Truth is .. you agree with the figure 12.5 per 10,000 SAE -- "near death experience" by definition
Why are you calling your own numbers nonsense .. those numbers are my support for claim ? Once again shooting your legs out from under an already crucified position.
but if you disagree then tell us and tell us what you are claiming is Safe for 17 year old Timmy -- healthy as an ox and has natural immunity already. is it 1 in 100 .. 1 in 10 ? This is the tenth time you been asked to clarify your position .. do we Jab Timmy or not ... and why ?
I gave you my answer .. definitely not .. Timmy has little risk of harm from Omicron to begin with .. so little benefit in taking the Jab .. but 1.25 per 1000 is huge .. but .. wait a minute hold on here .. doesn't this work out to 1 in 800
.. ouchie .. bang bang bang those nails in further. Did I tell you that the SAR for the Swine Flue Vax .. when hit 1 in 100,000 .. too dangerous .. took it off the shelves. Not Safe.
but you ... Mr. "Support your nonsense" want to claim that 1 in 800 is "Safe" .. and thats the average over all groups.. Males 16-30 unfortunately - have a 300% higher risk of myocharditis from the Jab .. so they are down somewhere at 1 in 200. ... and as luck would have it .. the son of a close friend of ours 21 healthy - spend 3 days in the hospital on morphine the chest pains were so bad .. will be scarred for life.
Is that "Safe" how about Jabbing 3 times a year for 10 years .. that gets us down to less than 1 in 10 .. is that "Safe ? ..
And here is the definition of Serious Adverse Event .. Death or life threatening with real risk of death ..
COVID-19 vaccine safety: Understanding the data on side effects following immunization - Canada.ca
Information about any adverse events following immunization (AEFI) that individuals have reported after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine in Canada. These adverse events are not necessarily related to the vaccine.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Your link does not seem to have anything to do with the topic.and met that burden of proof .. used your own numbers to prove my claim true. Are you having trouble figureing out what Truth is .. you agree with the figure 12.5 per 10,000 SAE -- "near death experience" by definition
Why are you calling your own numbers nonsense .. those numbers are my support for claim ? Once again shooting your legs out from under an already crucified position.
but if you disagree then tell us and tell us what you are claiming is Safe for 17 year old Timmy -- healthy as an ox and has natural immunity already. is it 1 in 100 .. 1 in 10 ? This is the tenth time you been asked to clarify your position .. do we Jab Timmy or not ... and why ?
I gave you my answer .. definitely not .. Timmy has little risk of harm from Omicron to begin with .. so little benefit in taking the Jab .. but 1.25 per 1000 is huge .. but .. wait a minute hold on here .. doesn't this work out to 1 in 800
Did I tell you that the SAR for the Swine Flue Vax .. when hit 1 in 100,000 .. too dangerous .. took it off the shelves. Not Safe.
but you ... Mr. "Support your nonsense" want to claim that 1 in 800 is "Safe" .. and thats the average over all groups.. Males 16-30 unfortunately - have a 300% higher risk of myocharditis from the Jab .. so they are down somewhere at 1 in 200. ... and as luck would have it .. the son of a close friend of ours 21 healthy - spend 3 days in the hospital on morphine the chest pains were so bad .. will be scarred for life.
Is that "Safe" how about Jabbing 3 times a year for 10 years .. that gets us down to less than 1 in 10 .. is that "Safe ? ..
And here is the definition of Serious Adverse Event .. Death or life threatening with real risk of death ..
COVID-19 vaccine safety: Understanding the data on side effects following immunization - Canada.ca
Information about any adverse events following immunization (AEFI) that individuals have reported after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine in Canada. These adverse events are not necessarily related to the vaccine.health-infobase.canada.ca
There is reason that I offered to go over the risks depending upon age. The odds are that you are still using numbers that are far too high. One needs to properly access the risks to see if the vaccine is safe or not. And you keep misinterpreting what SAE's are. The majority are treated on site and still counted as SAE"s.
Do you want to rant and rave as you usually do or do you want to have a discussion?
I am not the one claiming to know about Russian citizens .. saying "you know so much you must live there" was other talking propaganda nonsense ... as if he knew vat sa average Russian thinks .. as for myself .. I know a lot more than your average Joe .. Scotty Ritter and Douglas MacGreggor .. and many others Ho ho ho .. .. Oh .. but .. then there is my Serbian Wife that may count for something .. her ex dating a Russian.. a "Real One" LOL .. but I digress .. wifey actually grew up in Romania .. but speaks both languages fluently .. can here when was 16 .. but in any case 15 years of indoctrination into the culture . know many Russians .. more Romanians and Serbs but you know how it goes in the EU .. same package .. Polish friends .. slovakian .. the wife is a mortgage broker so .. tons but .. the Serbian Crowd in particular one of our man "Groupings" of friends .. has a different perspective on Russia than say France LOL ..
but anyhow .. what is this propaganda you think me taken in by ? what are we arguing here ?
I've nothing to add.
You asked for a definiton of Severe Adverse Effect .. crying out Prove it Prove it when I used terminology such as "Life Threatening " "Near Death Experience" were you unable to figure out the phrase "Life threatening" "Real not hypothetical" understand why you don't want the revolver to go off.
What numbers are far too high I used your numbers from the study .. of which was to properly assess the Risks .. by the Standard metric that is used for such assessment SAR .. SEvere Adverse Reaction ... what part of this is the assessment metric .. did you not understand ? and this was a closed Study .. had no miscounting and what is more normal is not counted at all .. which is why you use the study numbers in this case as opposed to how many folks called in and reported .. or now many showed up with Chest pains and no one wrote cofid as the cause. My number by the way 1-800 .. which is exactly the same as the number they came up with in this study .. was from a different study .. the original Phizer Moderna Trials ..
Regardless -- these numbers are now standard in the public domain .. many studies been done .. the Israeli study on myocharditis .. which .. if you bothered to look throught the link I gave you listing the various SAR's Myocharditis is near 80% and it was these .. and then later other studies that show males in 16-30 age group 300% higher risk.
Your claim that I keep misinterpreting SAE's is false nonsense on Steroids given I gave you the definition .. the website .. and quote from it above in bold what am I misinterpreting .. have you not noticed that you keep losing every step of the way .. but is your lucky day .. and you don't have to feel bad .. because I am the scientist in the room and subject matter expert in some aspects .. certainly able to assess data in any case .. but never mind me .. that will not pull out this poison lizard .. the problem is that you really want to believe in the necessary illusion .. and I get it .. we all like those but .. you do realize that the "Anti Jabbers" none of whome are anti vax .. just this treatment is not a vax are esteemed scientists in the field .. how many was it signed the Balfour declaration early on.. and we all say the same thing friend .. in one form or another .. that you were lied to .. and the lie continues .. took over Social Media to perpetuate the Lie .. along with most of the mainstream... a few over at Fox of all places being the side of "Science" Tucker - Ingram ..
Its a mixed up world cept for Lola ... ha ha ha .. listen what the prophet tell you.. the numbers don't lie - you can't figure out what Russian Roulette is all about ? is that the problem ?
Lets make the math work real easy for you .. once again from the top .. gonna use 1 in 300 to make it real simple .. the odds of Timmy having a Severe Adverse Reaction .. gonna be spending some time in the hospital .. having a fight with life and death .. a "Real" struggle .. not hypothetical .. thats the words used in the definition .. A bad experience .. that you want to avoid. swelling in the brain is no fun ..or swelling in the liver .. from nano particles that were supposed to stay in your arm .. telling those cells to make the spike protein .. but instead cause they are nano particles .. these go all over .. and tell other cells to make the spike protien .. that they not supposed to .. when liver cells made to produce the spike Protien .. swelling can happen .. and you can see the pictures .. know exactly where it is from .. cause you can find the spike protein risiduals in the tissue .. this swelling is myocharditis .. and if a big enough dose of these things happen to find your liver .depends how bad the myocharditis is.
but you think this is "Safe" putting the gun to head .. 1 in 300 .. in the revolver. but we are not talking one time pulling the trigger here now are we .. 3 jabs a year over 10 years .. and we are at 1 in 10 .... which .. if you having trouble understanding .. means 1 out of every 10 people playing the same game you are ... had an SAR.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Okay so you do not want a discussion. You just want to rant.
Copernicus
Industrial Strength Linguist
I'll try to make sense of your ramble. You have an ethnic Serb wife whose ex dates a real Russian and immigrated to the US as a teenager. She (and you?) have lots of East European friends especially a Serb friend who has what you consider a well-informed perspective. And this means you know "a lot more than your average Joe." So I'm getting a picture now of why you think Putin is "hugely popular" in Russia--your circle of friends and whatever you've picked up from the media that you expose yourself to. IOW, you really don't know much more than a great many Americans who don't speak either Russian or Ukrainian and haven't studied the history or culture of those two nations,
Nobody really knows what the average Russian thinks about Putin, especially given events that have unfolded since the beginning of 2022. He is, beyond any doubt, a fascist dictator with an iron grip on power in that country. So people aren't much in the mood to go blabbing to strangers about how they really feel about the man, but you still get stories on the subject in Western media.
I have friends with opinions, too. On one visit there in 1997, while Yeltsin was still running things, I reassured a friend that I thought Russia would recover from the extreme difficulties they were experiencing at that time. I was a westerner telling her my optimistic thoughts about Russia and reassuring her about the bright future of her country's fledgling democracy. What she said to me was that the thing she most feared was that the people who ran the Soviet Union into the ground would get back in power. I have lost contact with her, but I wonder what she thinks of former Comrade Putin of the KGB now. She didn't represent the average Russian, but there are certainly a lot of people like her in Russia.
There is a lot of Russian propaganda being spouted these days by conservatives. See, for example,
How Russia and Right-Wing Americans Converged on War in Ukraine
That doesn't mean that you've been taken in by it, but you seem to be in harmony with a lot of what I've been seeing in conservative media since Donald Trump started beating his pro-Kremlin drum.