PureX
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Russians interview their fellow Russians and post those interviews online (with subtitles).
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Russia May Have Just Given Ukraine Terms for Ending War
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Certain news about Russia are unavailable in English.
They are only available in Italian, Russian or German.
That shows the incredibly high degree of censorship in English-speaking countries.
Censorship implies people are terrified that some pieces of information are available to those who can read them.
What worthless response .. spending the first half in ad Hom fallacy .. desperate to attack credibility of the messenger .. followed by some conclusion that there is lots of "Russian Propaganda" out there .. and some ridiculous nonsense about some right wing morons doing who knows what .. in a topic about what the Russian populace thinks.
What does any of this have to do with what the avereage Russian thinks ... or relate to my evaluation .. and why would I be sucking down the propaganda that you have obviously been drinking .. I am not Red .. specially not right wing .. and my arguments against Trump way better than yours.
This moronic Trump "Russia Russia" trope that has been going on prior to him even being elected ... engineered by Clinton at the start .. is the Propaganda in the room .. and you bit the hook line and sinker .. never did figure out the lie .. and are still running around crying "Russia Russia" .. as if Tulsi Gabbaard is a Russian Spy .. because she is anti war ... and because war happens to involve Putin she is beating a "pro Kremlin beat"
Not only is this fallacy on steroids .. it is complete falsehood .. demonization propaganda . in this case demonization the anti war crowd. And you sucked it down .. hard.
Let us examine further illogical nonsense that you believe .. as a function of "Propaganda"
Did the Release of the "Russian Hack" info to Wiki and any potential Trump involvement - "Collusion with the Russians" harm our electoral process ? Gulp Gulp Gulp .. you drank it down.. now it is time to come around .. answer the question Brother Copper .. !?
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Holy Projection Sub D .. thats you running from the playground calling names friend .. not me -- deflecting yet again from the topic and failing once again to tell is whether or not you believe 12.5 Severe Adverse Reactions per 10,000 is Safe for a healthy teenage boy who has already had Covid .. and tell us how the risk of harm is worth the benefit .. or did you not read the discussion in your Source Document ??
Sounds like a good idea to me aye Friend ? What do you think ? This "excess risk" of serious adverse events calls for a formal harm-benefit analysis .. ..
Copernicus
Industrial Strength Linguist
But this is probably the worst evidence in support of what average Russians think. Russia and Ukraine both put out enormous amounts of online disinformation, although the Russia is second to no one for weaponizing social media. Some Russians speak out very loudly and plainly about their politics and grievances, and we have some spectacular publicly known examples of what happens to them. Putin is famous for poisoning and assassinating perceived rivals. Prigozhin is only one of his "public service announcements" to let people know who is still running things.
I asked how you felt confident in your assessment of Putin's popularity, and I think it was fair to point out that you rely almost exclusively on your circle of acquaintances and unnamed sources. Not even a reference to the Levada Center polls, which fairly consistently give Putin an 80% approval rating. Levada used to have a good reputation as a polling organization, but some changes were made in 2003 to make sure that it got its figures right on things like the approval rating of certain officials. Levada does not publish what percentage of respondents refuse to talk to them.
What it has to do with what the average Russian thinks is that nobody really knows. Putin seems to think that he can't depend on public opinion alone to keep him in power, so he makes sure that nobody with a chance of beating him in a fair election can even be a candidate. Maybe that should tell you something about his popularity from his perspective.
Yes, really moronic stuff, even though the interaction between Trump and his Russian allies is well-known and well-documented, especially in the Mueller report. Anyway, it is no secret that the Republican Party has been spouting propaganda that comes straight out of Russia, and that trend can be traced squarely back to the election of Donald Trump. You may like to spout how anti-Trump you are, but that doesn't prevent you from repeating many of his talking points, including the mocking Trump chant "Russia Russia" and the kneejerk dismissal of any hint of his well-known admiration for Putin and Russian behavior in this war.
Moronic indeed -- as the propaganda question didn't claim Trump had no allies in the Russians ? so why are you pretending that it did... and avoiding the question alltogether .. related to your gulping down the propaganda
Did the info from the Hack .. being disseminated by Wiki-Leaks Harm our electoral process or not ? What is so difficult about staying on with reality and not drifting in to made up fantasy .. I didn't tell you I was "Anti Trump" .. why do you continue to spew made up fallacious strawman nonsense .. avoiding clarification of your position
Something difficult about he question Brother Copper .. Did this action harm our electoral process .. or did it not .. and then tell me why I should not repeat a True talking point ? and what on earth this has to do with your gulping down the propaganda .. and having no idea what propaganda is .. such that you have no idea you are ingesting the spiked cool-aid
Simple question for clarification friend == the Blue clown show media pundit patrol was screaming up and down that our electoral process was harmed by this action .. do you agree with the clownshow claim .. or do you not . not rocket science being requested here.
Copernicus
Industrial Strength Linguist
I think I made my point about the flimsy basis for your endorsement of Putin's popularity, and I'm not really up for riding along with you on your little Gish gallop rehash of the 2016 presidential election here. I honestly don't care what your stand on Donald Trump is, but I can see why that provoked all your references to clowns.
I think I made my point about the flimsy basis for your endorsement of Putin's popularity, and I'm not really up for riding along with you on your little Gish gallop rehash of the 2016 presidential election here. I honestly don't care what your stand on Donald Trump is, but I can see why that provoked all your references to clowns.
Strawman fallacy was your point ? you spewed falsehood about the basis for my endorsement -- and generally had no understanding of what you were saying .. followed up regurgitating State Sponsored Propaganda you ingested - unwittingly ??
What point was it that you think you making with that "Gish Gallop" ?! surely you can do better .. once again deflecting from the propaganda you ingested that was identified .. the silly belief that Wiki release of the DNC Hack .. Harmed our electoral process .. and this of course is what provoked the references to clowns .. as this is clownish behavior .. do you not agree ?
Copernicus
Industrial Strength Linguist
Well, no, but I'm not going to get pulled off-topic to debate you on how propaganda and disinformation campaigns work. I've been well-acquainted with Soviet propaganda in the past, and it depresses me to see how successful they've been at weaponizing social media to actually influence public opinion in the West, not to mention in Russia itself. I'm not the only one to feel that the Republican Party has become a willing ally of Kremlin propaganda (as my earlier link attested to), but it doesn't surprise me that you disagree.
Not in the slightest, but that is off-topic here. If you don't know what a "Gish gallop" is, you can look it up. I leave it to others to decide whether my assessment of your post merited that label. That's just the way it struck me.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I suspect you can't find a single piece of evidence to support that claim (the censorship )in regards to Putin's invasion of Ukraine. Especially, because, ya know, that's actually several different countries.
Copernicus
Industrial Strength Linguist
Really? What makes you think that? Can you give a single example of any news that isn't available in English? Most Russian media sites have English language versions, although I've noticed that they sometimes give different accounts of the same story. The English coverage is usually tailored to an international audience, and the Russian coverage is aimed more at a domestic Russian audience. Those who cannot read Russian can usually run a web page through Google translate for a fairly good rendition of the content in English. Russians, of course, are restricted from full access to Western media, although it is possible to get around the censorship barriers with VPNs.
There is no censorship at all in English speaking countries, AFAICT. Can you explain why you believe that any news is censored in English speaker countries? Censorship usually means that those responsible for reporting the news are afraid of consequences if they report news that they think would displease censors. That kind of thing is heavily controlled by Russian and Chinese censors. However, nothing like that exists in any English-dominant country that I know of. Can you explain where you are getting this information?
Pulled off what topic ? Propaganda is the topic ..the one you brought up.. running around crying "Russia Russia Russia" .. followed by claiming how well aquainted you are with with Russian propaganda - but when asked if you believe that certain of this "propaganda" ( DnC hack and subsequent Wiki-Leak) harmed our electoral process .. you say "Im not going to get pulled off topic" .
This is a loopy doop circle of self deception friend ? ... as the "weaponization of social media" that you duscuss- and your gulping down the spiked Russia Kool-aid is the topic that you are desperately trying to avoid by refusing to clarify your position on the topic.
Only a Yes/No required mate .. Did you drink down the "Russia harmed our electoral process" kool-laid or not ? === Sucks when position is so crucified .. can not manage a yes/no answer on the topic you been discussing ?
You claim Russian Propaganda was successfully influencing public opinion - such that Red has become a willing ally of Russia.. and on this Basis it was claimed our electoral process was Harmed ... do you agree .. or disagree ?
Allow me to illustrate the tactic that's often
used in religion & politics....
"I have special knowledge because I have spiritual insight."
"I have special knowledge because I have uncensored news sources unavailable to you."
"I know the truth because I don't hate the truth."
Does it sound rather narcissistic?
You better be trying to jest.
You are not seriously claiming there is no censorship/propaganda in Western media related to the Fog of War ? my apologies if I misunderstood your post ?
Exactly.
Also because I believe in a punishing God. Unlike other powerful and warlike people, who don't believe in it.
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That would explain the heightenedExactly.
Also because I believe in a punishing God. Unlike other powerful and warlike people, who don't believe in it.
irrational fear of imagined foes.
What I meant that those who forced Ukrainians to die in this useless war, have no fear of God.
I would never force anyone to die in a useless, pointless war.
What's it like to be frightened of your God?What I meant that those who forced Ukrainians to die in this useless war, have no fear of God.
I would never force anyone to die in a useless, pointless war.