Russia: "UK, Stop support to Ukraine or face nuclear Tsunami"

[stvdv]

More Cold War sabre rattling.

Sabre rattling does create karma

So, UK and USA...yes...they rattle
Putin...no...he started (not rattled) war imo, though he calls it differently. Nuke rattling he did, luckily for us

Well maybe.

Thanks, very good observation. I agree

 

[stvdv]

The problem being that the cold war is over, Russia lost, Putin never got over the humiliation of that, and the West has treated Russia's security concerns with contempt for decades.

And I don't blame Putin for not getting over the humiliation. The West should never have humiliated him in the first place; stupid to humiliate anyone. Extremely and most stupid to humiliate someone who has 6666± nukes ready to give to you in return. Karma can be *****y, and bite you in the ***

There has been an awful lot of sabre rattling from the UK's Prime Minister Boris Johnson, meanwhile.

He is not someone I can respect for what comes out of his mouth, and his
hypocritical acts during covid are neither praiseworthy

A man who every bit as self absorbed as Putin, to the extent that he appears willing to risk escalating a conflict on the other side of Europe, to support his bogus Pond Shop Churchill narrative. Johnson needs to sit down and stfu imo.

Agreed. And his voters are not smart

 

[stvdv]

The threat of mutual destruction is an ancient one, more ancient than the bronze age or the agricultural age. We get angry, and we stop caring even about who dies, ourselves or anybody. We drag other people into our conflicts.

Thank you, a most important fact
Some on RF fail to recognize this

 

[stvdv]

I understand why he reacted.
But as usual, there are methods other than military intervention to settle international conflicts.

True. But IF the West belittle and humiliate Putin, thereby angering Putin, resulting in him nuking the West THEN the West should ONLY blame themselves. Period.

Karma is a *****, even if you don't believe

 

[stvdv]

Putin would be crazy to do it.

We'll see if Putin if crazy or smart

What possible outcome of a nuclear attack
on Britain would be describable as smart?

Why you make this false conclusion?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

And I don't blame Putin for not getting over the humiliation. The West should never have humiliated him in the first place

He has only himself to blame.

Nobody forced him to bring the long-dead soviet mentality into the modern age. Nobody forced him to continue to oppress his own people, poison his adversaries, lead by corruption and throw up on democratic principles.

This and only this is why Russia is still lagging behind on all fronts. They could have turned their ways around after the soviet collapse. They could have granted their people individual human rights and freedom. They could have been one of the richest countries in the world, what with the insane amount of raw material resources they have in their territory.

Instead, they preferred a continuation of the old ways. They chose corruption and theft of government money for the purpose of self enrichment. They choose oppression of their people to amass more power for themselves.

They had the opportunity to make Nato itself completely obsolete.

In short: they could have done what Germany had done after WW2. Germany lost the war and yet is one of the richest and most powerful countries in the EU today.

But they did not. They have only themselves to blame.

The west didn't "humiliate" them. Instead, they made sure to bring that upon themselves.

How did the west "humiliate" them? By making bigger leaps in terms of entrepreneurship, innovation, etc? Those were the results of granting people dignity and freedom. Development and innovation is the inescapable result of that. It nurishes human creativity and education, which in turn leads to progress.

Instead of stealing government money to build decadent multi-billion dollar fortresses, they also could have spend that money to invest in universities and science programs.

But they didn't. That was their choice.

; stupid to humiliate anyone. Extremely and most stupid to humiliate someone who has 6666± nukes ready to give to you in return. Karma can be *****y, and bite you in the ***

It actually remains to be seen how many of those are even still operational.
My guess is not even half. Which is still more then enough off course. There's nothing you can accomplish with 6000 nukes that you can't accomplish with 500.

 

[stvdv]

Now I will do something I usually don't do:

I know why you don't usually do it
But thanks for the exception

Please watch it

Done

and we can debate it.

I Usually don't do

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

True. But IF the West belittle and humiliate Putin, thereby angering Putin, resulting in him nuking the West THEN the West should ONLY blame themselves. Period.

Do you also tell your kids not to stand up to bullies at school and instead just nod, give them what they want and "let them be"?

Do you think that is a good way to deal with bullies?

The way to deal with bullies is by ignoring / excluding them for any social event.
And when they pick on someone, you create a front and rally behind the one being picked on. And then slap the bully right in the face.

What YOU are proposing will instead only signal to the bully that he can do whatever he wants and nobody will be stopping them.

Bullies operate through fear tactics. If you accommodate for them out of fear, then they have already won.

The way to stop bullies is by doing the exact opposite.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

...

I Usually don't do

Well, then continue to fear something for which there might be something else at play.

 

[Estro Felino]

True. But IF the West belittle and humiliate Putin, thereby angering Putin, resulting in him nuking the West THEN the West should ONLY blame themselves. Period.

Karma is a *****, even if you don't believe

Which my country has never done.
Our Prime Minister wanted Russia to rejoin G8 in 2018

 

[Revoltingest]

Why you make this false conclusion?

Perhaps I mis-inferred your meaning.

 

[Revoltingest]

And I don't blame Putin for not getting over the humiliation. The West should never have humiliated him in the first place; stupid to humiliate anyone. Extremely and most stupid to humiliate someone who has 6666± nukes ready to give to you in return. Karma can be *****y, and bite you in the ***


He is not someone I can respect for what comes out of his mouth, and his
hypocritical acts during covid are neither praiseworthy


Agreed. And his voters are not smart

One can only humiliate oneself.
It’s a feeling.
IMO

 

[stvdv]

Is Putin that much of a lunatic?

I don't think Putin is a lunatic. But any person can snap and loose it completely. I rather don't have this happen to a person with a red button probably the size Trump said he has

If so, then he indeed is a madman.

Exactly...it's worse...nuclear madman. And you better handle a madman careful, because you don't want a nuclear madman go mad, would you?

 

[stvdv]

Western media, frankly, should know better then to pick up these propaganda stories.

Useful fact

It is exactly what Russia wants: for western media to spread this propaganda. Don't fall for it.

Western government allows such stories, while telling us also that they are going to censor damaging news, like corona misinformation. This is even worse damaging information imo

Ignore it and continue helping ukkraine.

Good advice

 

[stvdv]

Aaaaand.... russian propaganda claims another victim.


So sad.

At least I take Putin serious. IF he snaps and goes mad, it's not on me

 

[stvdv]

If that is what you think, then you should know better then to believe he might actually throw a nuke on a NATO country that isn't even directly involved in the conflict.

I don't think he "just" nukes a NATO country. He might snap, angry people full of hate sometimes need 1 push to snap. You don't want that to happen to Putin, while he is "playing" with his red button, do you. He is a dictator imo, things are different with those

 

[stvdv]

Instead, they are being humiliated on a daily basis. The "great and mighty" russian military turns out to be an amateuristic bunch with low moral and soviet era equipment with tanks littered with weak spots and idiot generals that keep dying. Close to 20% of the forces that took part in the invasion have been eliminated. They are getting their behinds handed to them.

Stupid that the Western Media are not telling that story, don't you think? So, why do Western Governments allow this fear mongering to continue you think? That is something I am interested in, the Western Governments seems to have a hidden agenda. Create fear, that is quite obvious to me

 

[stvdv]

In Putin's Russia these days, news media are
tightly controlled. So talking heads would be
good indicators of his mindset.

The real question
is whether this is....
- A real intention.
- A bluff.
- Blowing off steam.

Before the war started, Putin (in healthy mind) clearly said in an interview"We are too weak to fight against NATO using normal weapons, so IF NATO forces us to fight against them THEN I have one option, to use nuclear power, and according to my knowledge we have quite some power in that area. But be aware that ALL will be losers, Russia too !!!!!"

I think Putin was using the Russian Roulette tactic, not just bluff. Russian Roulette implies "no fear to die in the process (something that worries me)". Definitely not just blowing off steam. Russians don't even smile, because that is seen as a weakness in Russia. Blowing off steam is showing weakness

Real intention...if Putin is still in "sane mind" he would never do that, as he declared already as I described above"

Obviously it's Putin who gave instruction to the journalist to air this message; a fact that almost none on RF realizes

I think, that Putin must be realizing by now, that this "wargame" of his, might going to cost him an immense amount of money, if people start making claims when the war ends.

I think Putin has quite a few narcissistic traits. One of them is that "losing is no option". Narcs will go to extreme ways to avoid losing, and definitely not admitting it. I am very surprised that on RF nobody almost thinks of psychological danger here.
So, this nuke threat might be his solution to "not lose the war". He might think this offers him some leverage to get out of his mess less harmed. I don't know how his narc mind works. But obviously he thought it was a smart move.

 

[stvdv]

Do you also tell your kids not to stand up to bullies at school and instead just nod, give them what they want and "let them be"?

So, you claim that it is good to humiliate your kids?

 

[stvdv]

Well, then continue to fear something for which there might be something else at play.

I don't fear. I have not even feared for 1 second that there will be a nuclear war in my life
I reason exactly the same way, as in the video you shared, to a T. Including the one option he gave that it might happen