Wu Wei
ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson
China does this rather regularly these days, with ships, "coastguard" ships..... or more likely naval ships painted as such, and the occasional jet too.
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Russian chest thumping - Chinese incursions
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China does this rather regularly these days, with ships, "coastguard" ships..... or more likely naval ships painted as such, and the occasional jet too.
What led up to this war is Russia's grandiose delusions of empire. This war is nothing but a hissy fit over the fact that Russia no longer exercises hegemonic control over Eastern Europe. Putin is throwing a tempter tantrum because he lost the ability to dictate to the Ukrainians how they may live their lives. And if you think Putin's desires end with Ukraine then I have a bridge to sell you.
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We Never Know
No Slack
What many fail to see is if you aid someone in the war, you in turn are in the war.
If you and your neighbour are feuding and I aid your neighbour, I'm in the feud.
If Russia conquers Ukraine direct conflict with NATO becomes much more likely anyway. Doing nothing and allowing Russia to annex Ukraine would have only emboldened Russia to attack Poland and or the Baltics: China to attack Taiwan. Appeasing Russia would be far more dangerous in the long run.
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We Never Know
No Slack
I didn't doubt any if that. I said...
"What many fail to see is if you aid someone in the war, you in turn are in the war.
If you and your neighbour are feuding and I aid your neighbour, I'm in the feud."
Do you agree or disagree?
The west is certainly involved. But I wouldn't consider the west a belligerent. As of yet not a single NATO solider has fired a shot.
lukethethird
unknown member
Do a search; 2014 coup Ukraine
from the Guardian:
It's not Russia that's pushed Ukraine to the brink of war | Seumas Milne
from the Guardian:
It's not Russia that's pushed Ukraine to the brink of war | Seumas Milne
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
So it's better to appease terrorists, despots, war criminals, etc. by allowing them to act with impunity? Do you actually think it would be wise to set such a precedent?
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
If you saw someone force their way into your neighbor's home with the intention of raping, robbing, and murdering them, would looking the other way make you complicit?
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Russian troops raped and tortured children in Ukraine, U.N. panel says
Russian soldiers rape children in front of their parents in Kharkiv region | UACRISIS.ORG
Russians Accused of Raping and Killing a 1-Year-Old Child, Says Ukraine official
Ukraine war: Boy, 11, raped in front of his mother and now only communicates using black lines, says deputy foreign minister
Russian invaders raped at least 400 Ukrainian children and adults, reports Ukraine’s Human Rights Ombudsman
Ukraine IDs Russian 'war criminal' accused of gang-raping child
Russian soldiers rape children in front of their parents in Kharkiv region | UACRISIS.ORG
Russians Accused of Raping and Killing a 1-Year-Old Child, Says Ukraine official
Ukraine war: Boy, 11, raped in front of his mother and now only communicates using black lines, says deputy foreign minister
Russian invaders raped at least 400 Ukrainian children and adults, reports Ukraine’s Human Rights Ombudsman
Ukraine IDs Russian 'war criminal' accused of gang-raping child
JIMMY12345
Active Member
China and India are secretly laughing at Putin.They are getting discounted oil using Russian State tankers and make a profit selling the refined petrol to the West.Russia is a small part of Europe and a big part of Asia.As Russia self destructs China and India feel more secure from the Russian threat.Russia has plans on China and India electricity grid water in case of the need for cyperwarfare.It pays to be neutral.
We Never Know
No Slack
You're really big on making false comparison
We Never Know
No Slack
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
Unprovoked invasion followed up with war crimes committed upon civilians? It's a very apt comparison.
lukethethird
unknown member
US forces invade countries on a routine basis, who stepped in and helped Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Viet Nam, Korea, that were invaded, South and Central American countries whose governments were overthrown? Russia wrongly invades and all of a sudden everyone takes the moral high ground as if, and even while the US is escalating and prolonging it. Washington sees an opportunity and is using Ukraine because they have never been in a war they didn't like.
lukethethird
unknown member
Crimes are committed on both sides of this conflict.
The old "nobody's perfect" tactic.
More Putin apologetics.
lukethethird
unknown member
You can't be serious. I don't support war and I am not naive enough to believe crimes committed are one sided, I've seen footage of crimes committed on both sides. Ukraines are fighting over a hatred for Russian speaking Ukraines that wanted no part in the new government that was put in place after the coup in 2014.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
That was also wrong, and two wrongs don't make a right. Weak whataboutism.
Helping the Ukrainians rightfully defend themselves is "escalating and prolonging it"? If anything, Ukraine will mop up quicker with the free world's assistance. Your alternative to "escalation and prolongation" is to sacrifice the freedom, land, and lives of innocent people. **** that.
Pointing to sins of one is a common tactic
to justify great wrongs by another.