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Salvation in Christianity

Colt

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The idea that “I am saved” is different than “I will be saved”. Christians are to strongly identify with the Kingdom by identifying with the former.

Still, the question that should follow: If I am saved, then why am I not in the Kingdom of Heaven? Someone cannot be saved from a flood while they are still in the flood. Christians will respond to this by explaining that “I am saved” and “I will be saved” are actually the same, but that is a move which weakens identification with the Kingdom.

Christians, don’t soften on this - you are saved, but then confront the question: if you are saved, then why aren’t you in the Kingdom?
The Kingdom of Heaven was established when Jesus was on earth. It's a spiritual fellowship of believers saved by faith in God.

A person born again of the spirit has the conviction of salvation. In other words, one knows, its not a theory!
 

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.

I agree with you on his post. I'd like to add that I believe that many Christians will be shocked that the afterlife won't be what they expected and that this shocking realization could have an impact on their experience in the afterlife. You already know what I'm talking about, so I won't go into any details.
 

1213

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you are still going to die , its when you are saved from the grave , that's when you are saved . to then live again under kingdom rule.
Sorry, I think person is saved, when his sins are forgiven. When such a person dies, he ends up in paradise, so I believe.
 

cataway

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Sorry, I think person is saved, when his sins are forgiven. When such a person dies, he ends up in paradise, so I believe.
thats a nice thought , however

Romans 6:7

"For the one who has died has been acquitted from his sin."



any sin is not held against you when you have died. now if you could just find a way to live again. there is a clue in

John 3:16

 

F1fan

Veteran Member
If someone’s sins are forgiven, but they don’t end up in paradise, would you still consider them saved? I’m guessing not. If not, then you consider salvation being in paradise.
It reminds me of a pardon. All that does is absolve the person of past crimes, not future crimes. So even if a believer has salvation on Monday, but sins on Tuesday, are they covered? This is the same dilemma all the Catholics and Lutherans didn't worry about as they worked in Nazi concentration camps as they killed Jews. No doubt these Christians thought they were saved permanently, how else could they be such criminals?
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Too bad the Bible isn't clearer on these crucial issues. Christians disagree on so many of these ideas how can any feel comfort and security?
What I found odd when I first started reading what Christians post on forums is why there was so much disagreement among Christians given they are all reading from the same Bible.

Then I realized that not only is the Bible unclear, Christians interpret the verses very differently, and that is why they come to different conclusions about what happens when we die.

The way Christians feel comfort and security is by insisting that their position is correct and the others are incorrect.
 

Treasure Hunter

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It reminds me of a pardon. All that does is absolve the person of past crimes, not future crimes. So even if a believer has salvation on Monday, but sins on Tuesday, are they covered? This is the same dilemma all the Catholics and Lutherans didn't worry about as they worked in Nazi concentration camps as they killed Jews. No doubt these Christians thought they were saved permanently, how else could they be such criminals?
In Christianity, forgiveness from the Son covers past and future sins. It is a form of salvation. However, it is not capital ‘S’ Salvation.

The Nazis were not in the Christian narrative when they killed Jews. They were in the Nazi narrative. Nice try though. I will no longer be responding to you.
 

Treasure Hunter

Well-Known Member
What I found odd when I first started reading what Christians post on forums is why there was so much disagreement among Christians given they are all reading from the same Bible.

Then I realized that not only is the Bible unclear, Christians interpret the verses very differently, and that is why they come to different conclusions about what happens when we die.

The way Christians feel comfort and security is by insisting that their position is correct and the others are incorrect.
This is what should be expected since revelation is gradual.
 

Sgt. Pepper

All you need is love.
What I found odd when I first started reading what Christians post on forums is why there was so much disagreement among Christians given they are all reading from the same Bible.

Then I realized that not only is the Bible unclear, Christians interpret the verses very differently, and that is why they come to different conclusions about what happens when we die.

The way Christians feel comfort and security is by insisting that their position is correct and the others are incorrect.

I believe that you are correct in your assessment of the Bible and that Christians interpret it very differently. One of the reasons I reject what the Bible teaches on the afterlife is because I've had far too many personal experiences in my lifetime that clearly contradict what it says about death and the afterlife, and I could no longer conscientiously ignore these contradictions and continue to believe the Bible is true. I gradually began to recognize these discrepancies when I was still a Christian, but I kept my doubts about the Bible buried until I could no longer ignore them in good conscience. Admittedly, I ignored the horrific things written in the Bible when I read it from cover to cover when I was a Christian. My learned belief in a loving, merciful God (a heavenly father) brazenly contradicted what I read in the Bible about God and what I experienced in my own life while growing up. However, it took me a long time to fully accept that the Bible is not inerrant and infallible, as I had been taught to believe. To be honest, it was extremely difficult for me to ever question God, the Bible, or what I believed as a Christian because I was raised in the church and fully indoctrinated to believe in God no matter what.

I was taught to believe that the Bible is the Word of God and that I should never question its authority and accuracy. I was also taught to never question God in any way, and I was shamed by other Christians when I did. So, I quickly learned to keep my doubts and questions to myself while I was growing up. Unfortunately, this mentality stuck with me for the majority of my adult life, and I was a Christian for 30 years. I always felt shame and guilt whenever I questioned God, so I pushed my doubts to the back of my mind and tried to ignore them. But I lived with the nagging feeling that I was ignoring my doubts, and that made me feel sad and confused. Long story short, a little over a year and a half ago, I finally got to a breaking point where I decided that I wasn't going to ignore my doubts anymore. I decided I was going to face them, come what may, and I did. I finally found the courage to examine and re-examine everything that I believed about God, the Bible, and everything else I believed as a Christian. As I said, it was very difficult for me, but I had my beloved, loving husband to help me get through it. I consider myself to be a prime example of how thoroughly a religion can brainwash and ensnare a person. My belief and faith in God were deeply entrenched in my psyche, and it was almost impossible for me to leave them behind. Being a Christian was very detrimental to my emotional, mental, and physical health, and letting go of my faith was the best personal decision that I've ever made for myself.

Personally speaking as a survivor of childhood abuse, I don't need or want the Christian God in my life. I turned my life around for the better and I began to heal emotionally only after I renounced my belief in God and my Christian faith. And now, there is no more fear, guilt, and shame hanging over my head since I disavowed my Christian faith and belief in God. It was such a relief for me, and it still is. I remember what my poor life was like when I was a Christian and the years before that, so there is no question in my mind that freeing myself from all the Christian indoctrination I had been subjected to in my life was the best decision that I've ever made for my mental health. For me, abandoning my Christian faith was a matter of survival since I found being a Christian to be a very painful experience that seriously harmed my mental health, which in turn badly affected my physical health. I don't regret my decision to abandon my Christian faith, but I wish I had done so years ago instead of holding onto the false hope and trust that I had in the Christian God.

In some of my posts, I've talked about what the fearmongering tactics of Christianity were like for me and the emotionally devastating impact they had on my life. I remember fearing the wrath of God to the point of making myself physically sick. I lived in constant fear of God striking me dead at any moment. I was afraid of God's wrath; I was afraid of disobeying God; and I felt deep shame and guilt for sinning against God. I was constantly afraid of losing my salvation if I sinned against God and then died without repenting, and I truly feared going to hell even though I had accepted Jesus Christ as my lord and savior (Matt.:21–23). I can attest to the fact that there was absolutely no peace and joy in my life that was promised in the Bible to the followers of Jesus.

To be honest, being a Christian was an absolute nightmare for me, and I never want to be a Christian again. It took me a very long time to finally break free from Christianity and deprogram myself from all the indoctrination that I had been subjected to while I was a Christian. It was very difficult for me to detox from it all. I believe that what "saved" me was when I honestly accepted that what I had been taught about the Bible was bogus, which eventually led me to renounce my Christian faith and belief in God, freeing myself from the snare of Christianity. I liken my experience of leaving Christianity to that of being imprisoned, except that the door to my cell was always open and I was unaware that I could leave whenever I wanted to. Personally, I feel as if Christianity was a dark prison and I was trapped within it, but now that I've freed myself from it, I never want to go back. I'm much better off without it.
 
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