sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
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Same Sex Marriage
- Thread starter Christian Pilgrim
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Christian Pilgrim
Active Member
Yep... I see what you mean. That's why it's difficult to discern this one for Christian gay and lesbian couples. I think it should be clearer that legalized same sex marriage should be the right way to go. However, the Christian homosexual couples need to pray, search the scriptures, and act on faith before they marry in the church.
Trey of Diamonds
Well-Known Member
She is speaking of Christian Pilgrim specifically. He has been pretty polite as far as I can tell.
Christian Pilgrim
Active Member
Liberal Protestants and Liberal Catholics have an easier time on these issues. Heck, I know staunch Catholics who think I'm apostate as in damned.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
We all should, because, in the Chnurch, marriage is a sacrament to which God calls us. We should all discern whether we are called to enter into that sacrament.
Christian Pilgrim
Active Member
She is speaking of Christian Pilgrim specifically. He has been pretty polite as far as I can tell.
Thanks for the support. We are coming together to crush this thread. I will use my armor from God, and you use whatever weapon that you want. However, we have the same goal because I am still very angry about this thread.
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/religious-debates/79995-god-rejects-homosexuals-fact.html
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Trey of Diamonds
Well-Known Member
You're still wrong, I just support your right to be wrong.
All kidding aside, you have been very good about following the rules of the forum and putting forth your views without becoming antagonistic. Kudos and support to you. :yes:
Dezzie
Well-Known Member
Honestly, I found it a bit rude when you fully addressed a lesbian and asked her directly for her answer.
As for me... gays and lesbians deserve the same things straight people do. It goes the same way all around the world... Black people deserve all the same things whites do... etc etc... we are all human beings here... we all feel love at times. Just because a person is prejudiced against gays or lesbians does not give them the right to say they can not do something. You can not tell a human being they are not allowed to be happy. It's like saying a fish is not allowed to live in water. We need love in our lives to be happy and feel free... a fish needs water to breathe and survive. I personally think this gay and lesbian thing is really ridiculous. I swear it is just the media and all those people would have no heart for another human being. IT IS SO RIDICULOUS.
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
Many First Nations people felt that LGBT people had a special place in society and could marry as they chose... indeed a transwoman was often thought of as a great choice for a wife.
In some nations transgendered people were required for certain religious duties. Creator, having made a person who could bridge the gap between the genders, often granted these people unique insight and abilities.
Creator would not have made these people as they are without a good purpose... Sexual attitudes in general were more relaxed than in Western societies.
Women had ownership rights and could choose to leave a man she didn't want to be with. Divorce was easy and carried no stigma about it. Virginity wasn't a treasure to be guarded and sex was seen as a joy given to people not a sin.
wa:do
In some nations transgendered people were required for certain religious duties. Creator, having made a person who could bridge the gap between the genders, often granted these people unique insight and abilities.
Creator would not have made these people as they are without a good purpose... Sexual attitudes in general were more relaxed than in Western societies.
Women had ownership rights and could choose to leave a man she didn't want to be with. Divorce was easy and carried no stigma about it. Virginity wasn't a treasure to be guarded and sex was seen as a joy given to people not a sin.
wa:do
gnomon
Well-Known Member
Same sex marriage should receive the same full recognition in the eyes of the State as heterosexual marriage. So should a marriage between someone of ambiguous sexual identity and another human.
Simple enough.
Christian Pilgrim
Active Member
I hear what you are saying, so thank you for it. I know a person who is a lesbian will have greater insight than someone who is straight on the subject matter. It's similar to race in America. I am not white, but my wife is white. I have a different insight than her in regards to racial discrimination in this country. She can be empathetic in regards to racial discrimination and racial remarks, but she does know it like someone who is an actual minority. But, you are right to make that comment. It is well received on my end.
Dezzie
Well-Known Member
Autodidact
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No, I'm saying that in this thread, Christian Pilgrim hasn't attacked anyone. Christian Pilgrim isn't vicariously responsible for what other Christians do. It's not Christians vs. Gay People--those two groups are often the same people.
Autodidact
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Why was that rude? I thought it was nice. Did I miss something?
Autodidact
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I think it's interesting that poor C.P. is being attacked, when he hasn't said anything against gay marriage. I think it's because the loud-mouthed gay-hating Christian right has put themselves forth as speaking for all Christians in this matter, which they certainly don't. So everyone's armed for bear, and it takes a moment to notice that there isn't one.
Green Gaia
Veteran Member
I believe I should be allowed to marry the love of my life regardless of my gender.
Why do we want to marry? I want to marry for the same reasons as heterosexual couples do; to publicly declare and celebrate my love and commitment, to be affirmed by our families, friends, and faith community, to ensure legal and social recognition, to legally protect my children and ourselves, and for many other reasons.
Why is marriage as a legal right important to us? Civil marriage provides over 1,138 rights and benefits. These include the right to make medical decisions for your loved one in an emergency, guardianship and parental rights, tax benefits, the right to petition your partner for immigration, and the right to take up to 12 weeks of leave from work to care for a seriously ill partner or parent of a partner as granted under the Family and Medical Leave Act of 1993. There is no logical reason to deny these rights to same gender couples and their families, and doing so only hurts them and in turn hurts our society.
For more of my thoughts on why same sex marriage should and must be allowed, here is an essay/article a wrote several years ago.
Christian Pilgrim
Active Member
I guess RF is more than a place to just preach (just kidding). I really learned something today about myself including my own sinfulness. I am learning to learn from others who believe differently than my own Christian worldview. I highly appreciate everyone's thoughts on this particular thread. I am still a staunch biblical Christian, and believe everyone is commanded to repent and believe the Lord Jesus Christ for reconciliation and peace with our Creator. However, I am also a staunch Christian who has come to see that it is right to support same sex marriage throughout this country. Who knows, I might be protesting against the Fundamental Christians on this issue, even though they would still be considered my brother and sisters in Christ. Sometimes, Christians act the least Christian… which grieves me. Sometimes, unbelievers are more Christ-like than Christians.
When same sex marriage becomes law throughout the USA, this does not automatically give a Christian gay and lesbians the right to marry without deep prayer and meditation of the scriptures on this very issue. There are very mature gay and lesbian Christians who have concluded that they must remain celibate throughout this life... to the praise and honor of their God. There are also mature gay and lesbian Christians who in good conscience can marry before God.
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