Satan's Claws (Santa Claus): Satanic Deception

[DeepShadow]

The spirit that's testifying this to you is not from God.

Ummmm...since when are you in my line of authority, FFH? Why are you entitled to revelation on my behalf?

God's Spirit testifies to my heart and mind peace concerning this issue and my postion against it.

I won't presume to tell you what spirit you are listening to, as you have to me, because that's not my point. My point is that even if you have received revelation regarding Santa being evil, you are not authorized to impose such revelations on others.

The Prophet has declared nothing about Santa being evil. We are all under strict commandment to stick to things the Prophet has revealed.

Alma 12:9 And now Alma began to expound these things unto him, saying: It is given unto many to know the mysteries of God; nevertheless they are laid under a strict command that they shall not impart only according to the portion of his word which he doth grant unto the children of men, according to the heed and diligence which they give unto him.

Why are you not obeying this commandment, FFH?

 

[Quath]

I didn't realize that people still used the Bible code. I thought it was pretty well disproved by showing that just about any book can generate loads of messages by using such codes.

 

[DeepShadow]

I didn't realize that people still used the Bible code. I thought it was pretty well disproved by showing that just about any book can generate loads of messages by using such codes.

Yeah, it's basically a magic 8-ball, but with Christian overtones.

 

[FFH]

Ummmm...since when are you in my line of authority, FFH? Why are you entitled to revelation on my behalf?



I won't presume to tell you what spirit you are listening to, as you have to me, because that's not my point. My point is that even if you have received revelation regarding Santa being evil, you are not authorized to impose such revelations on others.

The Prophet has declared nothing about Santa being evil. We are all under strict commandment to stick to things the Prophet has revealed.

Alma 12:9 And now Alma began to expound these things unto him, saying: It is given unto many to know the mysteries of God; nevertheless they are laid under a strict command that they shall not impart only according to the portion of his word which he doth grant unto the children of men, according to the heed and diligence which they give unto him.

Why are you not obeying this commandment, FFH?

Personal revelation comes as a peace to the mind and heart concerning any matter of truth after pondering, praying and reading inspired scriptures.

Do you have a peace about your position ??

According to scripture, the fictional character of Santa, and what he stands for, and the teachings that are taught, as being true to kids (parents deliberately lie to keep this evil tradition going as long as they can with young kids), is definitely of an evil source, that being Satan and his angels, who perpetuate this evil tradition.

I know the spirit of God is testifying this to me. I am entitled to know the truth of all things, because I have a right to direct revelation via the Holy Ghost, which was bestowed upon me at my confirmation at 8 years of age.

We all have this right as LDS members, if we have been baptized and confirmed and are worthy to receive the Holy Ghost.

By deduction you are definitely wrong and listening to a spirit that's not from God, there is no grey area here. It's either an evil tradition or it's not.

The spirit testifies to me that this is an evil tradition, that binds parents and kids alike, spiritually, in a bad way, so by deduction you are wrong. You're twisting this scripture. I'm not telling you what to do with your life, only making a deduction. I'm right, because I've received a confirmation concerning this and therefore your position against mine is wrong. I don't need to receive a further revelation concerning your opposition against me.

Come on wake up and stop twisting scriptures around to fit your belief or lack thereof.

We cannot call that which is evil, good.

Josh. 24: 15
And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

 

[Storm]

 

[FFH]

Deep Shadow, by who's authority and by what revelation did you come to the conclustion that it's okay for parents to lie to their kids about Santa ???

Scriptures state otherwise and it's by this reasoning I can know you're listening to the wrong spirit concerning this evil tradition practiced in so many homes. I grew up with it, there is no good that will come out of it.

Not going to sugar coat it with peppermint candy canes and gum drops.

The Lord is very clear as far as where he draws the line concerning lies.

Revelation 22: 15
For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

D&C 63: 17
Wherefore, I, the Lord, have said that the fearful, and the unbelieving, and all liars, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie, and the whoremonger, and the sorcerer, shall have their part in that lake which burneth with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

 

[Azakel]

But Storm I like feeding the Trolls. I make it into a game.

And FFH what gives you authority and by what revelation makes it ok for you to lie.

 

[Nanda]

Storm, just do yourself a favor and leave the thread like most of us did twenty pages ago. It's nice out here. Santa's sharing his milk and cookies.

 

[DeepShadow]

Personal revelation comes as a peace to the mind and heart concerning any matter of truth after pondering, praying and reading inspired scriptures.

Do you have a peace about your position ??

Yes, I do.

I know the spirit of God is testifying this to me. I am entitled to know the truth of all things, because I have a right to direct revelation via the Holy Ghost, which was bestowed upon me at my confirmation at 8 years of age.

We all have this right as LDS members, if we have been baptized and confirmed and are worthy to receive the Holy Ghost.

I'm not arguing against your right to personal revelation. I'm arguing against your imposing your personal revelation upon others--insisting that you are, in effect, in their line of authority.

By deduction you are definitely wrong and listening to a spirit that's not from God, there is no grey area here. It's either an evil tradition or it's not.

Since you are using deduction, I'll speak to you in the language of logic: this is an either-or fallacy, to present two options when there are more than two available.

It's quite possible that the Santa tradition could be bad for your family, but not for mine. It's like the people of Ammon; fighting was bad for them, even in self defense. For the Nephites, not so.

The spirit testifies to me that this is an evil tradition, that binds parents and kids alike, spiritually, in a bad way, so by deduction you are wrong.

According to the LDS church, the Spirit does not give you revelation about me, only about you and your family. Revelation for me comes through myself, my bishop, my stake president, and so on up to the prophet. You are not entitled to revelation for me.

If the Spirit tells you not to follow the Santa tradition in your home, that's fine--I encourage you to follow that--but no amount of "deduction" can take this outside of your line of authority.

You're twisting this scripture. I'm not telling you what to do with your life, only making a deduction. I'm right, because I've received a confirmation concerning this and therefore your position against mine is wrong. I don't need to receive a further revelation concerning your opposition against me.

Never said you did. You are entitled to your revelation. You are not entitled to revelation for me.

Come on wake up and stop twisting scriptures around to fit your belief or lack thereof.

You're getting advice from the Bible Code, but I'm the one twisting scriptures? That's almost worth a laugh.

Isa. 8: 19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

 

[Captain Civic]

Santa is commercialism and a fable rolled into one. Most commercial things aren't necessarily "evil". Nor are fables. I was told lots of fables. Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus... I guess it's not all right to indulge your child's imagination, huh?

 

[DeepShadow]

Deep Shadow, by who's authority and by what revelation did you come to the conclustion that it's okay for parents to lie to their kids about Santa ???

I NEVER said anything about other parents. By my authority as a father, and head of my household with my wife, I consulted with the Spirit regarding our Christmas traditions. I did not use the Bible Code.

Scriptures state otherwise and it's by this reasoning I can know you're listening to the wrong spirit concerning this evil tradition practiced in so many homes. I grew up with it, there is no good that will come out of it.

Unlike you, the scriptures don't embrace this either-or fallacy about lies. According to your logic, half of Jesus' parables were lies, because they were told as if they were real events. Is there no place in your logic for hyperbole, or even metaphor?

A quick search of lds.org would indicate that many of the Lord's anointed are listening to the same spirit that I am, including Bishop Vaughn J. Featherstone:

One of the students had volunteered her father to be Santa Claus. He was with us. We drove over to the area where the needy family lived and then down a long, dark, dirt road to their home near the Boise River. When we got close to the home, we could see a woman and two children standing on the back porch. The porch light was on. The dog began to bark. We had three cars of seminary students, and all the car lights were off so no one could see us. The woman held her hands up to shade her eyes from the porch light and peered out into the darkness. I could see she was becoming concerned over the unseen visitors. I was in the first car, and I yelled across the lawn to the woman, “Don’t be afraid! It’s old Santa Claus who has come to see your family!” Santa Claus jumped out of the car and headed across the lawn. His bells were ringing, and he was saying, “Ho, ho, ho!” One of the little boys, about five years old, was standing by his mother and said, “It’s him! It’s really him! It’s old Santa Claus!”

President Monson:

As Santa Claus came by, she waved her little hand toward him. He smiled and waved back to her and to everyone else in the crowd.
The little girl grabbed the hair of that big fellow and exclaimed, “He saw me! He saw me and smiled at me! I’m so glad it’s Christmas!” That little girl had the Christmas spirit.

Howard W. Hunter

The legend of Santa Claus, the Christmas tree, the decorations of tinsel and mistletoe, and the giving of gifts all express to us the spirit of the day we celebrate; but the true spirit of Christmas lies much deeper than these.

Rex D. Pinegar

Finally we heard Dad’s heavy footsteps as he walked from the bedroom. He hardly needed to beckon us to come.
There it was—“TO THE TWINS FROM SANTA”—the most beautiful bicycle we had ever seen. It was cream-colored, decorated with a bright red stripe and shiny chrome fenders, and completely outfitted with headlight, tool compartment, fender rack, reflector, and spring seat. We could hardly believe it was ours! Soon my brothers and I were clearing a pathway in the snow (shoveling the driveway had never seemed so easy) and were riding the sleek new Streamer. We ignored our cold hands and toes. What a wonderful time we had!

Ezra Taft Benson:

They were each to go in the kitchen, as I remember it, for a glass of milk and a piece of bread and butter and honey before they came into the living room to partake of the goodies from their stockings and to enjoy the excitement of their presents from Santa. It was a happy morning. I could not hold back the tears as I watched with pride the reactions of my six brothers and four sisters and the loving expressions of my noble parents as they watched their posterity partake of the Christmas spirit and as they felt of the unity which prevailed in our family circle.

Geez, Ardeth Kapp must really be listening to a "bad spirit," when she associates Santa with Christ:

Each Christmas Eve, we gather together around the tree. With the lights low and the fire burning in the fireplace, we ask the question once again, the most important question of the year, “Is it okay if we believe one more year?”—not only believe in the traditions of childhood with Santa Claus and reindeer, but more importantly in the message of the birth of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, whose birthday we are celebrating.

...and then celebrates Christmas by reading the Polar Express with her family, connecting this with her testimony of the Savior:

In the story, a young boy says, “I shook the bell. It made the most beautiful sound my sister and I had ever heard, but my mother said, ‘Oh, that’s too bad.’ ‘Yes,’ said my father, ‘it’s broken.’ My parents had not heard a sound,” the story continues. “At one time most of my friends could hear the bell, but as years passed it fell silent for all of them. Though I have grown old, the bell still rings for me, as it does for all who truly believe.”
Following the story, we each receive a small new bell on a red satin ribbon to wear around our necks during the holidays. We listen for its clear sound as a testimony and commitment that we truly believe and will strive to live as we believe.

Are all these people--prophets and apostles, leaders of our church--listening to the wrong spirit?

Consider, FFH, one more tidbit I found in that search. A Mormon Journal roundtable addressed this very topic, and it seems no one in the church heirarchy gave a definitive statement. It seems to me that we are entitled to our revelations respective to our own homes--you to yours, and me to mine.

 

[DeepShadow]

And FFH what gives you authority and by what revelation makes it ok for you to lie.

I'm curious as to what you mean. Care to give us a post #?

 

[Azakel]

I'm curious as to what you mean. Care to give us a post #?

#266

The one right above it when he says something about what gives you(DS) the..... well you know.

 

[DeepShadow]

#266

The one right above it when he says something about what gives you(DS) the..... well you know.

Okay, and where in this post is he lying?

Aren't you claiming in you previous post that he's lying?

I'm confused.:sad4:

 

[Azakel]

Okay, and where in this post is he lying?

Aren't you claiming in you previous post that he's lying?

I'm confused.:sad4:

I don't know I was calling him a Lie with what he is all saying, trying to call him a Hypocrite I guess. Put calling the kettle black.

 

[FFH]

You're getting advice from the Bible Code, but I'm the one twisting scriptures? That's almost worth a laugh.

God has commanded us not to lie, that's plainly written out in scripture. So now tell me, is it okay to lie to kids about Santa ??? Milk and cookies and all ???

Remember I also grew up on this tradition to it's fullest. It did me no good whatsoever. I started asking RF type questions about God at an age when I still believed Santa was real. I knew something was up, but couldn't figure it out at that age. The Lord has taught me truth's through the Holy Ghost, after reading, pondering and praying about our inspired scriptures, including the Joseph Smith translation. It's all there on the surface text as plain as day. The Bible codes are a side hobby, just something to make things a bit more interesting. Details, that's all it is is details, like the Santa thing, which I already knew was bad over 20 years earlier when a former missionary companion of mine, while living in Yokohama, Japan, discussed this very thing, and he related to me that his family chose not to participate in the Santa thing. Christ was the center of their home, not Santa, his elves and reindeer.

He was a great guy, extremely intelligent and he attributed it to his parents raising him right. He was at the very top of his class in his high school. No one was smarter than him. He kept telling me look how I turned out. It didn't hurt me to do without the Santa thing, it actually helped me, more than if we had practiced this tradition in our home. I never forgot that conversation. It sticks out so loud and clear as if it was yesterday. There was a reason for us being together for that short time. He was a no nonsense type personality.

Isa. 8: 19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

Again, twisting scripture to fit your belief concerning the Bible codes.

The Bible cannot be used as an evil tool for evil purposes.

Sorry, try again.

Familiar spirits and wizard's are one thing, Bible codes are another.

Matthew 6: 24
No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

3 Nephi 13: 24
No man can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will hold to the one and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and Mammon.

Satan cannot and will not contradict himself with these codes, therefore by deduction these codes are from God, not Satan.

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[Smoke]

The Bible cannot be used as an evil tool for evil purposes.

Whenever I stay in a hotel, I like to drop them off the balcony and see how many pedestrians I can hit.

 

[DeepShadow]

God has commanded us not to lie, that's plainly written out in scripture. So now tell me, is it okay to lie to kids about Santa ??? Milk and cookies and all ???

It's still an either-or fallacy. Is Thomas S. Monson a liar? How about Ezra Taft Benson? Plenty of modern prophets have taught their children to believe in Santa.

It didn't hurt me to do without the Santa thing, it actually helped me, more than if we had practiced this tradition in our home.

He's not in my line of authority, either. If that works for him, fine, but it doesn't work for me. The Spirit may yet have told him that, but that's not what it's telling me.

The Bible cannot be used as an evil tool for evil purposes.

Yet again you contradict modern prophets, many of whom have said otherwise. Are they misguided for saying so?

 

[FFH]

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[FFH]

Whenever I stay in a hotel, I like to drop them off the balcony and see how many pedestrians I can hit.

Okay, so man can misuse the Bible and twist scripture, fair enough.