Saved from what?

[Kcnorwood]

I often hear of Christians telling others that they need to be saved, my question is from what?



If you do not believe in Hell or Satan or a sepration from God when you die, then what are you being saved from? Whats the point in even being saved?

 

[UnTheist]

From Hell. That's the only thing that I can think of

 

[Kcnorwood]

From Hell. That's the only thing that I can think of

But what about those Christians who do not believe in hell?

 

[Troublemane]

Saved from having to think for yourself! Whew!!!

...actually, not to offend those evangelicals out there who take their mission seriously, but those evangelists I have known seem to treat it like a game. They've gotta go out and save so many people, and it gets em points in Heaven! You know, like the kid selling magazines, so many and they get a vacation or something. Like that. :angel2:

 

[MysticSang'ha]

What if the message is to be saved from the self?

Self can be easily deluded with feelings of entitlement. Is it really that silly to willingly throw away all that is self-serving for the message of atonement, humility, and loving your neighbor?

I can't speak for Christians, though, but if the intent is to educate others about the ethics of selflessness through "saving", and if it is less about fear and more about loving kindness, then I can certainly appreciate this motivation.

 

[Bishadi]

I often hear of Christians telling others that they need to be saved, my question is from what?



If you do not believe in Hell or Satan or a sepration from God when you die, then what are you being saved from? Whats the point in even being saved?

With an idea that we are not of choice or that an entity of satan, the devil or some jin is decieving us (adam and eve story) the responsibility to each choice had become the scape goat to individual responsibility.

Being saved is to believe that by faith we have hesus there to remove and forgive the atrocities we impose to existence; a removal to the responsibilities. Yet reality proves NEVER can an event be undone! So the idea of an 'almighty' to forgive us is a fib of faith. (it was a sales tool for the christianic/catholic sects)

then again individual responsibility is what perfects Peace

Peace Sells, but who's buyin'..

 

[doppelganger]

I often hear of Christians telling others that they need to be saved, my question is from what?

From their projected judgments of you. :rainbow1:

 

[Draka]

I often hear of Christians telling others that they need to be saved, my question is from what?



If you do not believe in Hell or Satan or a sepration from God when you die, then what are you being saved from? Whats the point in even being saved?

Well, at that moment you're being told that, you are being saved from a rational and adult conversation...because you certainly aren't having one with whoever is telling you that.

Save Us Y2J!

 

[Kcnorwood]

What if the message is to be saved from the self?

Self can be easily deluded with feelings of entitlement. Is it really that silly to willingly throw away all that is self-serving for the message of atonement, humility, and loving your neighbor?
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This I can get behind but only to a point. I would think that would be something that you would have to learn for yourself.

 

[michel]

What if the message is to be saved from the self?

Self can be easily deluded with feelings of entitlement. Is it really that silly to willingly throw away all that is self-serving for the message of atonement, humility, and loving your neighbor?

I can't speak for Christians, though, but if the intent is to educate others about the ethics of selflessness through "saving", and if it is less about fear and more about loving kindness, then I can certainly appreciate this motivation.

You're on parallel to Christians, I think - the wording would be different, but I think the meaning is the same.

I often hear of Christians telling others that they need to be saved, my question is from what?



If you do not believe in Hell or Satan or a sepration from God when you die, then what are you being saved from? Whats the point in even being saved?

I want to be saved from my weak flesh which makes me temped to sin - i.e, I wish to be saved from sin............

 

[gnomon]

I think salvation is a them not unique to Christianity as MysticSang'ha points out. While enlightenment may be a different flavor from salvation ultimately the reasoning behind it sounds the same to me. Just because one religion has a bit of a John Carpenter or Wes Craven aspect to it in the realm of spiritual reasoning one is no more rational than the other.

What if the message is to be saved from the self?

Self can be easily deluded with feelings of entitlement. Is it really that silly to willingly throw away all that is self-serving for the message of atonement, humility, and loving your neighbor?

I can't speak for Christians, though, but if the intent is to educate others about the ethics of selflessness through "saving", and if it is less about fear and more about loving kindness, then I can certainly appreciate this motivation.

Good post.

 

[Charity]

I often hear of Christians telling others that they need to be saved, my question is from what?



If you do not believe in Hell or Satan or a sepration from God when you die, then what are you being saved from? Whats the point in even being saved?

I am saved from whatever is against the will of God. I believe in Heaven and Hell .

I believe eveyone is entitled to believe the way they desire. I don't really condemn anyone for their belief whether it is another religion or an atheist. Everyone has the freedom of choice....

:slap: If I choose to believe in being saved then I will do so. :biglaugh:Make fun if you want to, it doesn't bother me.......Just remember you better not around with me or I will pray the curse of the 'FLY' plague on you (Heh Heh)

Have a great day
Charity

 

[Storm]

If you do not believe in Hell or Satan or a sepration from God when you die, then what are you being saved from? Whats the point in even being saved?

TO be fair, Christians believe that you can go to hell whether you believe in it or not. It's not like disbelief is a get out of judgement free card.

 

[Kcnorwood]

I am saved from whatever is against the will of God. I believe in Heaven and Hell .
:slap: If I choose to believe in being saved then I will do so. :biglaugh:Make fun if you want to, it doesn't bother me.......Just remember you better not around with me or I will pray the curse of the 'FLY' plague on you (Heh Heh)

Have a great day
Charity

I would not make fun of your faith I am only asking those Christians who do not believe as you do what are they being saved from if not hell?

 

[Nessa Nenharma]

I often hear of Christians telling others that they need to be saved, my question is from what?



If you do not believe in Hell or Satan or a sepration from God when you die, then what are you being saved from? Whats the point in even being saved?

From the wrath of God is all I can come up with.

:bb:

Nessa

 

[Vasilisa Jade]

I often hear of Christians telling others that they need to be saved, my question is from what?



If you do not believe in Hell or Satan or a sepration from God when you die, then what are you being saved from? Whats the point in even being saved?

In my personal experience with christian missionaries and such, the christians that don't focus on or believe in Hell, Satan, or seperation from God likewise don't focus on or believe in the whole "saved" and "not saved" idea. But ya know I have never physically met a christian that flat out doesn't believe in any of those. I know they must exist, but I have never met one in real life (i.e. not on the pooter), and I seriously doubt one will ever end up at my door. I'd probably keel over in shock, think they must be looney, and politely send them on thier way like I do the fundamental ones whose beliefs/missionary tactics actually irritate me a little. It would just be fishy.

The LDS believe in seperation from God, and not the typical hell. But, that belief is not thier focus point in thier missions to spread thier faith. I most definately never heard "saved" ever mentioned when I was an active member. That would be one of the reasons I gave them the time of day, and ended up really enjoying thier church I believe.:rainbow1: It was a nice change from the standard messages and motives. It impressed me then and still does.

What if the message is to be saved from the self?

Self can be easily deluded with feelings of entitlement. Is it really that silly to willingly throw away all that is self-serving for the message of atonement, humility, and loving your neighbor?

I can't speak for Christians, though, but if the intent is to educate others about the ethics of selflessness through "saving", and if it is less about fear and more about loving kindness, then I can certainly appreciate this motivation.

Wow. You made that sound so nice. Like someone else said, the wording would be totally different. IOW, most of the time, it won't sound as logical and straight-forward as that, but I think what you said is supposed to be the driving idea. And sometimes I'm sure it obviously will be. But, most of the time in my personal encounters with the "saving type" thier message revolves around being saved from the wrath of God and the fires of Hell. It usually goes like this:

You: "I don't believe in Hell, or a single angry and jealous God who is also benevolent.

Them: "Then you are a lost sheep who has not heard 'the word.' Hell is very real! Your spirit, your very soul is at stake! We all sin and we all must repent or we shall suffer in the lake of fire for all eternity and forfiet the glories of Heaven!..." and yatta yatta yatta.

I mean, it's all fine and dandy. As sarcastic and pokey as that sounded I can respect that. Basically, my point is that it takes me back to the OP.

If you don't believe in Hell or Satan or a seperation from God when you die, then what are you being saved from? [/quote]

Hell. Satan. And seperation from God. They exist. You just haven't been educated about them yet. It will happen. You just don't know it yet.

what's the point in being saved?

The only point of being saved is to be given the opportunity to be saved from Hell and Satan if you are a good person and do as [insert church name] teaches, if you believe in christianity and that whole idea and everything.

If you don't, there's no point and it's just silly. I wouldn't worry over it. One of those pamphelets freaked me out when I was 8. I believe I got over it completely within a year without even trying.

 

[Willamena]

I often hear of Christians telling others that they need to be saved, my question is from what?

"There'll be the breaking of the ancient western code
Your private life will suddenly explode
There'll be phantoms
There'll be fires on the road
and the white man dancing

"You'll see a woman hanging upside down
her features covered by her fallen gown
and all the lousy little poets
coming 'round
tryin' to sound like Charlie Manson
and the white man dancing"

 

[blackout]

Saved or Deleted? Like a file.

 

[Vasilisa Jade]

Saved or Deleted? Like a file.

I would pay to see the look on a missionaries face if you asked this, LMAO. That is so original! It would catch them totally off guard.

 

[Poisonshady313]

But what about those Christians who do not believe in hell?

There are other Christians to convince those Christians that there is a hell.

Kinda like throwing dirt on someone and saying "I've got the only soap that'll get you clean".