Saved from what?

[Fish-Hunter]

So it's like I've said all along he created sin just so he could save us from it... So he has to force you to convert Nice......

The Bible clearly teaches that God did not create sin, nor does He cause anyone to sin. God just grants some sinners spiritual eyes to see, enabling to see Jesus Christ as being deisrable to come to. Why are you not willing to come to Christ for life?

When tempted, no one should say, "God is tempting me." For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed. Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.
Don't be deceived, my dear brothers. Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows. He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created. - James 1

1 John 1:5:
This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.

 

[blueman]

I often hear of Christians telling others that they need to be saved, my question is from what?



If you do not believe in Hell or Satan or a sepration from God when you die, then what are you being saved from? Whats the point in even being saved?

Saved from yourself as a result of a free will decision to reject a relationship with God through Jesus Christ. God's Word tell us there are consequences to our decisions as it relates to salvation.

 

[Kcnorwood]

The Bible clearly teaches that God did not create sin, nor does He cause anyone to sin. God just grants some sinners spiritual eyes to see, enabling to see Jesus Christ as being deisrable to come to. Why are you not willing to come to Christ for life? quote]


Are you sure about that? I'm thinking that your not reading the same bible everyone else is.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I, the LORD, do all these things.

How can someone believe in a God who more or less sets a buliding on fire just to rush in & save people?

 

[Tau]

Are you sure about that? I'm thinking that your not reading the same bible everyone else is.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I, the LORD, do all these things.

How can someone believe in a God who more or less sets a buliding on fire just to rush in & save people?

I have to agree with kcnorwood here.
You certainly would feel a bit resentful about doing what He commands knowing Him for the puppet master He appears to be.

Given that verse as an example.

 

[Fish-Hunter]

The Bible clearly teaches that God did not create sin, nor does He cause anyone to sin. God just grants some sinners spiritual eyes to see, enabling to see Jesus Christ as being deisrable to come to. Why are you not willing to come to Christ for life? quote]


Are you sure about that? I'm thinking that your not reading the same bible everyone else is.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I, the LORD, do all these things.

How can someone believe in a God who more or less sets a buliding on fire just to rush in & save people?

I know I know... I've read an LDS post on Isaiah 45:7. You will find most other English translations interpert the original word to calamity as compared to evil. The day of the Lord, or the second coming of Christ is a day of evil (calamity) for those who are not found in Christ...according to the Scriptures. It all depends on what perspective, or what side you are on. Adam as representative for all humanity set the building on fire. God is just rescusing some from the burning fire. Does God have the power and ability to rescue all mankind from the burning building? The answer is yes. Will He save all...the answer is no according to the Bible.

Be merciful to those who doubt; snatch others from the fire and save them; to others show mercy, mixed with fear—hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh. - Jude 3

 

[Sunstone]

I often hear of Christians telling others that they need to be saved, my question is from what?

Good question.

 

[Fish-Hunter]

I have to agree with kcnorwood here.
You certainly would feel a bit resentful about doing what He commands knowing Him for the puppet master He appears to be.

Given that verse as an example.

Oh... I know all the puppet and robot arguments against the Sovereign Lord. Read Romans 9 for a response.

 

[Vasilisa Jade]

True. But I find no reason to despise this tactic. I can get annoyed every now and then, but if I look at this approach as merely a clumsy way of conveying the message of selfless service to others, then why should I slam the door in their faces?

Perhaps I'm delusional myself, but trying to see this (imo) inherent message INSIDE the hellfire and brimstone message is what allows me to connect with evangelicals on a more appreciative and loving level.

It definately is. I certianly don't mistreat them. I always send them on thier way politely if I start to get annoyed. You're tolerance and understanding is remarkable. I should have just left it at that. I have a tendency to ramble .

 

[sandy whitelinger]

... you can't make yourself believe something you don't believe.

That's absurd it happens all of the time. All it takes is a change of heart, or a change of mind, or a change of circumstances, or a change of understanding, or a change in willingness, or such like.

 

[Vasilisa Jade]

It's impossible to convert on your own free will.

Whaaaaaa???:areyoucra

I like me free will.

Why is that 'screaming freedom' scene from Braveheart playing through my mind right now??

he he.

 

[Vasilisa Jade]

That's absurd it happens all of the time. All it takes is a change of heart, or a change of mind, or a change of circumstances, or a change of understanding, or a change in willingness, or such like.

Yes, it does happen all the time. But something has to set that change in motion. Maybe it would be something that touches the person, or something they learn that really makes it "click," or whatever. Some people have put themselves in the enviroment for one of the many triggers to occur so that they might have one of those changes, and it just doesn't happen for them. Or, the feeling a christian gets in thier heart, a wiccan might have felt somewhere else at a wiccan event... or whatever.

. blah. I'm done.

 

[Fish-Hunter]

Whaaaaaa???:areyoucra

I like me free will.

Why is that 'screaming freedom' scene from Braveheart playing through my mind right now??

he he.

I thought the historic Braveheart was a Christian.

 

[Draka]

I thought the historic Braveheart was a Christian.

What does the religion of William Wallace have to do with anything? I'm not entirely sure he was definitely Christian or not, but I don't see what that has to do with what he said.

 

[Vasilisa Jade]

I thought the historic Braveheart was a Christian.

I dunno. I think so.

But ya see, he was screaming freedom in the face of that King. I was imagining screaming freedom in the face of whoever is taking away my free will so that I may convert.
:tribal2:Freeeeeedom!

He He. I was just pickin at what you said.

 

[Tau]

Oh... I know all the puppet and robot arguments against the Sovereign Lord. Read Romans 9 for a response.

No chance, got better things to do.

 

[Draka]

I was a Christian for a number of years when I was young, and actually thought I was "saved" a couple of times. I now simply don't believe in the concept or god, and there is no way I could go back to a religious lifestyle, i.e. you can't make yourself believe something you don't believe.

I tried commenting on this earlier today, but due to the weather issues in my area (I'm hearing an emergency alert for "golfball sized hail" and tornado warnings right now) my internet crashed for a bit in mid-posting.


Just to nit-pick here, but you may know you may never go back to Christianity as you have already "been there done that", but you can not claim that for any other religion. You never know what the future may bring and you may very well have a profound experience in your future that causes you to have such an internal revelation that you find some other religion to sort of scream out to you as making the most sense. It may never happen, but it very well may. You never truly know.

 

[Quiddity]

From myself...

 

[Fish-Hunter]

From myself...

Why would God want to save you from yourself?

 

[Quiddity]

Why would God want to save you from yourself?

When something is broken, it must be fixed. Whether it's broken in the first place might be a disagreement we might have.

 

[Kcnorwood]

I know I know... I've read an LDS post on Isaiah 45:7. You will find most other English translations interpert the original word to calamity as compared to evil.

Camality evil same thing. You talk of sitting a buliding on fire & that God can save you from it. So who makes God pay for setting that buliding on fire?