School board meeting in North Carolina about a book

[Estro Felino]

So that they won't grow up as repressed and uncomfortable with sexuality as he is.

Actually psychologists say that the ones with a very vivacious sex life, are the ones who feel uncomfortable talking about sex or listening to it.
Because they have the tail of straw, I guess.

 

[PureX]

The guy thinks his opinions are reality.

He is a fool.

 

[Estro Felino]

Middle School I was reading Star Wars and Edgar Allen Poe. Why would any student want ti stick to just textbooks? Does no one in Italy read unless forced to?

Surely.
I used to read those romance novels with titles like Love never surrenders and similar.

 

[We Never Know]

I watched the entire video. While I think it's valid to discuss the appropriate age for sex education, this guy's tone, substance, and delivery all scream demagoguery and religious zeal. I really hope someone more reasonable and not religiously extremist discussed that same book afterward, because I don't think it's appropriate for 10-year-olds to have access to drawings and detailed descriptions of sexual acts at a school library. About this video, though:

• The first thing he did was open the book to nude drawings and try to argue that they were "pornographic" just because they were nude. That's a non sequitur: it's perfectly possible for nudity to be presented in a non-sexual manner, and this is done in multiple countries. Nudity can be artistic, illustrative (as in a biology book), or simply activity-based (e.g., when at the beach or in a sauna). So this pastor is trying to normalize his own hang-up about nudity as if it were obligatory for everyone else to share his views.
• The way he's speaking, by yelling and trying to rouse the attendance, is not fitting for anyone who is supposedly trying to present a reasonable case for a major decision: taking a book out of a school library in a constitutionally secular country. It doesn't matter what he believes the Bible says, and his "God > Gov" hoodie essentially sums up the theocratic mindset that some fundamentalists exhibit when they want to impose their worldview on others in a public institution such as a school.
  
  I almost cringed when he said, "I get my talking points from the B-I-B-L-E" as if that were supposed to grant him more authority. So what? Are other parents and their children supposed to have their lives and education altered by talking points from the Bible? It's that entitled, theocratic mindset on display again.
• It was another non sequitur when he mentioned DEI, a set of initiatives and policies that have nothing to do with the book to which he was objecting. It almost feels like he was just cramming ideological and emotional buzzwords into his three-minute speech.

For all of the talk about "gender ideology," it seems to me that some of the most conspicuous examples of gender ideology come from theocratically minded extremists whose gender ideology is rooted in rigid traditionalism, dogma, and unscientific stereotypes.

"it's perfectly possible for nudity to be presented in a non-sexual manner"

True however he stated it also shows images of m/f, f/f and m/m sex. That is not non-sexual.

 

[Brian2]

I would kneel in front of this courageous parent.

I am really, really, really disgusted by the person who wanted to interrupt him.

He is not allowed to read it out loud, but it's okay for a prepubescent to read it?

I think he would have read quotes from the book until he got that reaction. It was a well thought out strategy imo.
And of course, if parents don't think it should be presented in schools to their young children then it should not be.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I don't understand why he was interrupted, though.
If it's so normal to read that book, why was he interrupted?

People usually only have two minutes to address the council or the senate or whatever body it is. His time had run out. He was kicked out because he had used all of his time. You can even hear the city council say it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I don't think that there was such a short limit of time.
I do believe the moderator was uncomfortable listening to the graphic description of heterosexual intercourse.

Which is unbelievably incoherent and really unbearable behavior.
If he is uncomfortable reading that material, why is it considered okay for fifth-graders?

Why don't you believe that? There has to be a limit on time because sometimes many people want to talk. A time limitation is necessary. I can show you a similar video of a man that I follow that was protesting an illegal and immoral Texas law. He knew that he had limited time. He made his point and left. He was pretty sure that he would be ignored. He just wanted to get on the record.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I think he would have read quotes from the book until he got that reaction. It was a well thought out strategy imo.
And of course, if parents don't think it should be presented in schools to their young children then it should not be.

Really? So a similar strategy would work with the Bible. Talking about incestuous rape with what amounted to a drug, and that was a "good" think. Or killing someone for pulling out on a woman and not giving her a "cream pie". And as you know a women fondly remembering men with donkey dicks and horse sized emissions. It sounds as if she was bukake fan. The Bible is far far more graphic in a negative way than that boo was.

 

[Subduction Zone]

"it's perfectly possible for nudity to be presented in a non-sexual manner"

True however he stated it also shows images of m/f, f/f and m/m sex. That is not non-sexual.

True, but it still sounds as if they were not pornographic, they were instructional in nature.

 

[Estro Felino]

Really? So a similar strategy would work with the Bible. Talking about incestuous rape with what amounted to a drug, and that was a "good" think. Or killing someone for pulling out on a woman and not giving her a "cream pie". And as you know a women fondly remembering men with donkey dicks and horse sized emissions. It sounds as if she was bukake fan. The Bible is far far more graphic in a negative way than that boo was.

First of all, adults don't make children read the Bible.
They give them this kind of books, instead.

Secondly, that book was unnecessarily graphic, because as I said, middle school biology books already contain explanations and pictures of the reproductive systems.
And any educator should dissuade any middle schooler from having sex. Prepubescents should never have sex so that book is absolutely wrong on so many levels because it explains sexual intercourse in detail to people who should not have it.

 

[tytlyf]

His religious viewpoint shouldn't be dictating laws and what is good/bad.

 

[Subduction Zone]

First of all, adults don't make children read the Bible.
They give them this kind of books, instead.

Secondly, that book was unnecessarily graphic, because as I said, middle school biology books already contains explanations and pictures of the reproductive systems.
And any educator should dissuade any middle schooler from having sex. Prepubescents should never have sex so that book is absolutely wrong on so many levels because it explains sexual intercourse in detail to people who should not have it.

So what? I can guarantee that the pornographic version is still readily accessible in the school library.

And it is the job of a sex ed class to teach about sex. The good and the bad. There was no evidence that the teachers were advocating for sex.

 

[Revoltingest]

So that they won't grow up as repressed and uncomfortable with sexuality as he is.

The human body is a hideous thing. It should be hidden.
(Preferably beneath Hawaiian shirts & board shorts.)
But this pastor's behavior is a strong argument to become
OK with the human form & its icky functions.
I'm uncomfortable with it....but society should move beyond
the attitude of cranky curmudgeons & religious goofballs.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It turns out that this is NOT a text book. It is a library book. So if one is going to ban it one has to ban the Bible for the same reasons:

North Carolina pastor eviscerates 'woke' school board for 'perverted' library book: 'This is sinister'

North Carolina Rev. John Amanchukwu warned far-left gender ideology in classrooms is leading children down a "slipper slope" during "Fox & Friends First."

www.foxnews.com

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

The human body is a hideous thing that should be hidden.
(Preferable behind Hawaiian shirts & board shorts.)
But this pastor is a strong argument for becoming OK
with the human form & how it functions.
I don't like it....but society should move beyond the
attitude of cranky curmudgeons.

Good you live in the USA. Some of us Europeans would really spook you out.

 

[Estro Felino]

So what? I can guarantee that the pornographic version is still readily accessible in the school library.

And it is the job of a sex ed class to teach about sex. The good and the bad. There was no evidence that the teachers were advocating for sex.

You are perfectly right.
But that is not the sex education suitable for fifth-graders or sixth-graders, I am sorry.

If parents want to buy their book to their own kids, good. But the school should teach kids other things.

 

[Revoltingest]

Good you live in the USA. Some of us Europeans would really spook you out.

I've been a few places across the pond.
Strange they are over there. But I noticed no
difference in clothing....except for no women
in various levels Islamic dress. We gots lots'o
them here. It seems normal now.

 

[Estro Felino]

It turns out that this is NOT a text book. It is a library book. So if one is going to ban it one has to ban the Bible for the same reasons:

North Carolina pastor eviscerates 'woke' school board for 'perverted' library book: 'This is sinister'

North Carolina Rev. John Amanchukwu warned far-left gender ideology in classrooms is leading children down a "slipper slope" during "Fox & Friends First."

www.foxnews.com

The problem is the age range.
It's not the book per se.

I am shocked...really.
Americans forbid middle-schoolers from drinking alcohol, but they encourage them to read that stuff.

 

[Estro Felino]

I've been a few places across the pond.
Strange they are over there. But I noticed no
difference in clothing....except for no women
in various levels Islamic dress. We gots lots'o
them here. It seems normal now.

In the US there is this obsession with forbidding alcohol to teenagers, but all the rest, including driving a car is allowed it to them.

The logic in this?

 

[Revoltingest]

In the US there is this obsession with forbidding alcohol to teenagers, but all the rest, including driving a car is allowed it to them.

The logic in this?

Alcohol is more dangerous, but less useful than driving.