School board meeting in North Carolina about a book

[Father Heathen]

Ahhh what?

Yep. Bible's wacky and zany.

 

[Father Heathen]

I did drink a bottle of limoncello when I was 13.
But I didn't have to drive.

Do Italian mothers tend to drink while pregnant?

 

[Estro Felino]

Do Italian mothers tend to drink while pregnant?

You're speaking of alcohol as if it was as dangerous as tobacco and marijuana.

No, it's not. It's a natural substance that exists in nature.

 

[Father Heathen]

You're speaking of alcohol as if it was as dangerous as tobacco and marijuana.

No, it's not. It's a natural substance that exists in nature.

Alcohol is significantly more dangerous than marijuana. I assume alcoholism (+ related health issues) isn't a recognized condition in Italian culture? I also assume that Italians are such ****ty drivers that being intoxicated makes little difference?

 

[Estro Felino]

Alcohol is significantly more dangerous than marijuana. I assume alcoholism (+ related health issues) isn't a recognized condition in Italian culture? I also assume that Italians are such ****ty drivers that being intoxicated makes little difference?

Alcohol smells good. I mean...margarita, vodka, limoncello, grappa, etc etc
Marijuana smells like petroleum+rotten cabbages.
I guess the smell is a good indicator that a substance is harmful.

 

[metis]

On the other hand, the book in the video available to kids in the school clearly promotes personal sexual behavior to the kids, with the intention of arousing their interest using graphic pictures and pornographic sexual details.

So, do you believe that kids should learn the basics of human sexuality before they're old enough to retire?

IOW, basic information is not "pornography".

 

[metis]

limoncello

I got some in the fridge!

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

The Bible is graphic, but it’s not pornographic. There is a huge difference between the Bible example you gave and the book in the video.

Oh, please. Try Song of Songs again. (Song of Solomon 5:4 "My beloved put in his hand by the hole of the door, and my bowels were moved for him.")

I find Christian attempts to explain this really very funny:

My beloved put in his hand by the hole [of the door]​

To remove the bolt or bar which kept him from entering in. By the "door" is meant the door of her heart, which was in a great measure shut against Christ, through the prevalence of corruption; and the "hole" in it shows that it was not entirely shut up, there was a little love broke out from her to him; a little light broke in from him upon her; but her heart was much narrowed and straitened, her grace low in exercise, yet there were some faith, some love wherefore Christ takes the advantage of the little hole or crevice there was, and "put in his hand"; which is to be understood of powerful and efficacious grace, and the exertion of it on her; which is as necessary to awake a drowsy saint, and reclaim a backsliding professor, and to quicken to the exercise of grace, and performance of duty, as to the conversion of a sinner, ( Acts 11:22 ) ; and this is a proof of the greatness of Christ's love to his church; that notwithstanding her rude carriage to him, he does not utterly forsake her, but left something behind that wrought upon her; as well as of his mighty power, in that what calls, knocks, raps, good words, and melting language, could not do, his hand did at once;​

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and my bowels were moved for him;​

the passions of her soul; her grief and sorrow for sin, in using him in so ill a manner; her shame for being guilty of such ingratitude; her fear lest he should utterly depart from her; her love, which had been chill and cold, now began to kindle and appear in flames; her heart, and the desires of it, were in motion towards him; and a hearty concern appeared that he should be used so unfriendly by her; that his company and communion with him should be slighted, who had so greatly loved her, and endured so much for her; other effects follow.​

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Now, first it's kind of important to note when this was written, which is likely (by textual analysis) in the 3rd century BCE. BCE used to be BC, which meant BEFORE Christ. This is obvious twaddle. The book, also know as Canticle of Canticles is self-evidently erotic poetry, and was meant to be exactly that.

 

[Estro Felino]

I got some in the fridge!

You're a connoisseur.

 

[We Never Know]

I tend to agree with the man about "if you don't want to hear it".

Watch the 3 1/2 minute video then give your thoughts

Spoiler: Nudity

I just noticed the video had been put behind a spoiler for nudity. And thats cool.

Evidently its too graphic for the adults of RF but ok for the school library..(only nudity was in the book)

 

[metis]

You're a connoisseur.

My wife says I'm just a sewer.

 

[Estro Felino]

I just noticed the video had been put behind a spoiler for nudity. And thats cool.

Evidently its too graphic for the adults of RF but ok for the school library..(only nudity was in the book)

Someone could speculate that the solely purpose of these books is to invite prepubescents or pre-teens to experiment sex.


Well... the fact is that American parents are too nice. In my country, you would have probably seen tens of mothers holding a baseball bat each, wanting to have a word with the school board.

I was kidding, of course...but yes...they would have gone wild.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ahhh what?

So you have never read the Bible?. Why didn't you tell.us?

 

[We Never Know]

But if it's "just something you drink" the amount should be irrelevant.

Try that with moonshine and see how that works out

 

[Subduction Zone]

My wife says I'm just a sewer.

I prefer the word "tailor". It leads to less confusion

 

[SkepticThinker]

First of all, adults don't make children read the Bible.
They give them this kind of books, instead.

Secondly, that book was unnecessarily graphic, because as I said, middle school biology books already contain explanations and pictures of the reproductive systems.
And any educator should dissuade any middle schooler from having sex. Prepubescents should never have sex so that book is absolutely wrong on so many levels because it explains sexual intercourse in detail to people who should not have it.

I have a book much like this. It contains an extremely graphic depiction of "The Flood" with a dead mother holding an obviously dead baby in her arms that has haunted me all my life, since I first saw it as a child in my "Children's Bible." So there's that.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

First of all, adults don't make children read the Bible.
They give them this kind of books, instead.

"Kids shouldn't learn about sex! Kids should learn about genocide instead!"

 

[anna.]

I watched the entire video. While I think it's valid to discuss the appropriate age for sex education, this guy's tone, substance, and delivery all scream demagoguery and religious zeal. I really hope someone more reasonable and not religiously extremist discussed that same book afterward, because I don't think it's appropriate for 10-year-olds to have access to drawings and detailed descriptions of sexual acts at a school library. About this video, though:

• The first thing he did was open the book to nude drawings and try to argue that they were "pornographic" just because they were nude. That's a non sequitur: it's perfectly possible for nudity to be presented in a non-sexual manner, and this is done in multiple countries. Nudity can be artistic, illustrative (as in a biology book), or simply activity-based (e.g., when at the beach or in a sauna). So this pastor is trying to normalize his own hang-up about nudity as if it were obligatory for everyone else to share his views.
• The way he's speaking, by yelling and trying to rouse the attendance, is not fitting for anyone who is supposedly trying to present a reasonable case for a major decision: taking a book out of a school library in a constitutionally secular country. It doesn't matter what he believes the Bible says, and his "God > Gov" hoodie essentially sums up the theocratic mindset that some fundamentalists exhibit when they want to impose their worldview on others in a public institution such as a school.
  
  I almost cringed when he said, "I get my talking points from the B-I-B-L-E" as if that were supposed to grant him more authority. So what? Are other parents and their children supposed to have their lives and education altered by talking points from the Bible? It's that entitled, theocratic mindset on display again.
• It was another non sequitur when he mentioned DEI, a set of initiatives and policies that have nothing to do with the book to which he was objecting. It almost feels like he was just cramming ideological and emotional buzzwords into his three-minute speech.

For all of the talk about "gender ideology," it seems to me that some of the most conspicuous examples of gender ideology come from theocratically minded extremists whose gender ideology is rooted in rigid traditionalism, dogma, and unscientific stereotypes.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Alcohol smells good. I mean...margarita, vodka, limoncello, grappa, etc etc
Marijuana smells like petroleum+rotten cabbages.
I guess the smell is a good indicator that a substance is harmful.

Umm, what? No.

 

[SkepticThinker]

You're speaking of alcohol as if it was as dangerous as tobacco and marijuana.

No, it's not. It's a natural substance that exists in nature.

Alcohol can be extremely dangerous, if one is drinking and driving. I don't think you can say the same for tobacco and marijuana.

Marijuana and tobacco are natural substances found in nature. Alcohol has to be made through a fermentation process.