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Science vs Faith

Rick O'Shez

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
ben d said:
The mental domain exists independent of a physical human being....as does the spiritual... But the evidence of such can only be realized though appropriate religious practice and the subsequent development of subtle 'bodies' to function thereof...
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Please describe your personal experience of "subtle bodies".
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Rick O'Shez said:
Please describe your personal experience of "subtle bodies".
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They involve being in other places than where the physical body is, and interacting with others, some alien to the human form...with no volition from the personal mind...which is in deep trance.. Actually they are not a personal experience per se..but due to there still being sufficient a 'leakage' of information of the subtle body back to the physical, one can personally attest to it.. If the trance is deeper though, which is the intention in meditation...there is not sufficient 'leakage' of information to say what is going on, except to say that that the physical body is in a state that is quiet...and awesome.....
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Rick O'Shez said:
You need to be specific if you are going to make claims like this. What kind of instruction, and who from? Voices in your head? What exactly?
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How is that...I already explained that the only input to my human brain in trance was by way of 'leakage' of impressions from the subtle realms...so they were not personal per se....the events occurring in the subtle realms are not meant for the physical brain mind... And fyi, you asked me about it and I told you as best I could, but I had no illusions as to your believing me as you are not aware of the subtle realms so far as I know. As I explained....a mind that is not aware of a greater reality beyond the physical can not think outside that limitation...so while I have sometimes in the right company been more explicit as to the events in question....I feel no such inclination in hostile closed minded company.. :)
 
Rick O'Shez

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
ben d said:
How is that...I already explained that the only input to my human brain in trance was by way of 'leakage' of impressions from the subtle realms...so they were not personal per se....the events occurring in the subtle realms are not meant for the physical brain mind..
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But what was this "leakage" actually like? How did you experience it? Surely you can give some description of it.
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Rick O'Shez said:
But what was this "leakage" actually like? How did you experience it? Surely you can give some description of it.
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The 'leakage' results in impressions imprinted on the brain as images, dialogue, etc... These memory imprints can then be cogitated upon by the persona as an experience that can be remembered...and spoken of as I have done here..
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
now is all fairness to physical evidence.....

science believes the entire universe once occupied one location
science also believes an object at rest will remain at rest

I believe the movement ....the bang....is part of the evidence for Spirit
that item is enhanced by all the rotation we see

if the 'bang' had been a simple expansion.....
all that is would be no more than ONE pulse of percussion
ever expanding as a hollow sphere of energy and dust

the rotation would NEED to be present BEFORE the expansion begins

that would be the pinch and snap of God's fingers....so to speak
 
Rick O'Shez

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
ben d said:
The 'leakage' results in impressions imprinted on the brain as images, dialogue, etc... These memory imprints can then be cogitated upon by the persona as an experience that can be remembered...and spoken of as I have done here..
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This is all very vague. Can you describe some images and dialogues that you have personally experienced? And how do you know they are "leakage", rather than dream memories, imaginings, etc?
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Rick O'Shez said:
This is all very vague. Can you describe some images and dialogues that you have personally experienced? And how do you know they are "leakage", rather than dream memories, imaginings, etc?
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Wrt 'leakage', if you have had dreams known as vivid or lucid dreams..then I suppose it is similar...though I can not do justice to such events by any attempt to convey it at the conceptual level as there is not awareness of passing time or place...except in a vague manner...via retrospective cogitation. I am sure though that these events are extremely important wrt the fulfillment of my destiny....though not necessarily my ego's...if you know the difference.. :)
 
Rick O'Shez

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
ben d said:
Wrt 'leakage', if you have had dreams known as vivid or lucid dreams..then I suppose it is similar...though I can not do justice to such events by any attempt to convey it at the conceptual level as there is not awareness of passing time or place...except in a vague manner...via retrospective cogitation. I am sure though that these events are extremely important wrt the fulfillment of my destiny....though not necessarily my ego's...if you know the difference.. :)
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Again some examples would be helpful.
 
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