Science vs Faith

[Ben Dhyan]

Again some examples would be helpful.

It wouldn't help you...keep going with your religious practice and all will be revealed....

 

[Rick O'Shez]

It wouldn't help you...keep going with your religious practice and all will be revealed....

Hmm. Your unwillingness to be specific about your experiences is strange.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Hmm. Your unwillingness to be specific about your experiences is strange.

Unless I am extremely poor at explaining myself, your reading comprehension is woeful.....

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Unless I am extremely poor at explaining myself, your reading comprehension is woeful.....

It has all been very vague, with no examples. I don't understand your reticence.

So go on, give us some actual examples of the kind of thing you are talking about.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

It has all been very vague, with no examples. I don't understand your reticence.

So go on, give us some actual examples of the kind of thing you are talking about.

You keep repeating yourself.......I don't understand what is behind your apparent obtuseness...

 

[Rick O'Shez]

You keep repeating yourself.......I don't understand what is behind your apparent obtuseness...

You are the one being "obtuse", you make vague references to a particular type of experience but refuse to give examples or specifics. This is a pattern with you, implying superior knowledge and then getting all vague. It makes me wonder if you are making stuff up.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

You are the one being "obtuse", you make vague references to a particular type of experience but refuse to give examples or specifics. This is a pattern with you, implying superior knowledge and then getting all vague. It makes me wonder if you are making stuff up.

Ok....so knock yourself out....keep repeating yourself as often as you please....wave your hands...wet your pants even...

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Ok....so knock yourself out....keep repeating yourself as often as you please....wave your hands...wet your pants even...

Hmm. Your continuing inability to describe specific examples really does make me wonder if you are making stuff up. Oh well.

 

[rusra02]

I've been listening to science documentaries all of my life
I just love science

but now and then the discussions runs with only numbers and guesses
what has been observed is known only by the effect

somethings are left to your willingness to believe

seems to me....science has a touch of believing
without proof

or do you 'believe' all of science?
just cause someone of learning told you so

I agree, but think it more than 'a touch' of believing without proof. This is especially the case with macro evolution, IMO, where any whiff of doubt seems to be considered heresy.

 

[`mud]

Everyone here knows that they will die, right ?
Some think that their 'souls' will move on,
wherever that 'soul' is, is it in the heart or mind ?
I picture a 'cloud' like a bubble of gas in the air,
floating off to meet the creator,
sans wind or rain,
then, it will all be mud.
I will miss my muddy gnosis, bid it well in the going.
~
'mud

 

[`mud]

And no fart jokes....please !
~
'mud

 

[Thief]

It would be just as wrong to trust all of "science" as it would be to trust none of it.

There is an aphorism I read once (although I forget where): "science is what we think is true until we discover we were wrong" (and this wasn't intended as a criticism of the sciences)

On certain topics the sciences are highly accurate, at least from a functional perspective. In other areas they are not. The highly inaccurate areas gain prestige they often little deserve by hanging onto the coat tails of the more trustworthy ones. Once something is branded 'science' then people often become a little too credulous, and get amnesia about all the other things considered "science" that later turned out to be false (and often harmful).

Generally science is a philosophical endeavour rather than a mechanistic and 'objective' process of establishing 'truth'. Many people also tend to treat "science" as a normative concept, rather than the totality of positive real world actions with all the flaws of any human activity.

Many people do have a little too much faith in "science", just as many have too little trust in it. A healthy scepticism is always a good thing, but a closed minded rejection certainly isn't.

ok...and it is difficult to hone that edge.....as demonstrated by this thread.

it is written...
trust no one question everything

so even when I watch my favored science programs
and go venturing to documentaries of new discovery.....

I do indeed.....refrain from a knee jerk nod of the head

ouch!

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Everyone here knows that they will die, right ?
Some think that their 'souls' will move on,
wherever that 'soul' is, is it in the heart or mind ?
I picture a 'cloud' like a bubble of gas in the air,
floating off to meet the creator....

And then what? Eternity would get awful boring.

 

[`mud]

Like I said,
I will miss my gnosis,
what?......miss?.....I won't be there !
~
I guess you caught me !
~
'mud

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Like I said,
I will miss my gnosis,
what?......miss?.....I won't be there !
~
I guess you caught me !
~
'mud

I'm not sure if souls have personalities and memories and stuff? People believe all kinds of things, but I don't think anyone has a clue really.

 

[Thief]

I'm not sure if souls have personalities and memories and stuff? People believe all kinds of things, but I don't think anyone has a clue really.

I have one.....
there are 7bilion copies of a learning device all over this earth
each one will be unique....some more than others

the design gives the intent

and why believe?...it all crumbles to dust

no one survives the last breath?
not one chance in billions?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

and why believe?...it all crumbles to dust

Even the church says it: "Ashes to ashes, dust to dust".

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Hmm. Your continuing inability to describe specific examples really does make me wonder if you are making stuff up. Oh well.

You can lead a horse to water but........the proof of the pudding is in.....just continue brother with your religious practice and when the prerequisite criteria have been met....you will no longer wonder..

 

[McBell]

You can lead a horse to water but........the proof of the pudding is in.....just continue brother with your religious practice and when the prerequisite criteria have been met....you will no longer wonder..

Except it isn't water you be a leading us to...
You are leading to a big steaming pile of bovine excrement and whine when no one bites.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Except it isn't water you be a leading us to...
You are leading to a big steaming pile of bovine excrement and whine when no one bites.

Ahem....clever boy..."water" in this context is not referring to actual water...but is a metaphor representing the subject of a transcendent reality. That you do not believe there is anything other than physical reality is fine....I do not expect that you can think outside of this "circle"....but don't blame me for your limited perspective....or curse the view that there is more to reality than the mere physical...