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Scientists finally prove there IS life after death

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
Causing new body patterns. Some detrimental, some neutral, some beneficial for survival.

The thing is why the gene has such function, is it just happened to be so and for no reason.
It's exactly the same if we have resistors and each resistor has a specific value for a specific
purpose, to think that the resistors were made by chance doesn't make sense and to think that
this gene just happened to have such function by chance doesn't make sense either.

Why a specific coding for the DNA has to do a specific job? The code is translated to do a job,
exactly the same way with programming, think about it and at the end you'll realize that someone
is behind all of this and not just the stones.
 

ArtieE

Well-Known Member
The thing is why the gene has such function, is it just happened to be so and for no reason.
The reason is that different mechanisms randomly produce loads of different genes and this gene got this function while others got different functions and loads got no function at all.
The code is translated
exactly the same way with programming, think about it and at the end you'll realize that someone
is behind all of this and not just the stones.
And if this someone didn't evolve who is behind that someone since if we can't exist naturally obviously neither can a being supposed to be more advanced than us...
 

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
Now that is a very intriguing thought. It is true that there are no goals in evolution, but it is the natural environment that "decides" which change in the DNA is beneficial or detrimental to the survival of the organism. So if we supply the AI with the equivalent of a natural environment we can let it randomly try out absolutely every possibility and let it keep those that are useful in that environment and discard the rest like evolution and natural selection. It would be fascinating to see what would evolve.
Yes. If you told an AI, "Okay, build a tv. A tv is something that receives a certain type of signal and provides moving images and sound," you might not even get anything close to what we view as "tv's". Will it even make a screen when AI can interface with the object directly? Will it add colors and sounds that the human senses do not detect because IT can? Etc, etc.

http://www.evolvingai.org/

You don't get my point, OK, tell me how the DNA mutates, does it mutate for no reason and accidentally
or it mutates by environmental changes.
There is a stimulus that changes either the DNA itself or the catalysts that read the data. It can happen "for no reason" (though it's not literally "no reason", more like "there were quirks you didn't notice").
That creative mind created time itself as we know it, he is not bound by the constraints of his own creation, so he transcends linear cause-effect as we understand it.
If God requires 6 days or billions of years to create a planet and the life on it, can He do it quicker than that or is He bound to a certain timeline?

And if He CAN, why is there no evidence of this, in the bible or outside it?
 

ArtieE

Well-Known Member
If God requires 6 days or billions of years to create a planet and the life on it, can He do it quicker than that or is He bound to a certain timeline?
I just wonder if God wanted a universe with people in it why didn't he just create a universe with people in it at once instead of faffing about 13.7 billion years creating dinosaurs and stuff? Or maybe He created everything yesterday and just made it look like we have a past history. We wouldn't know the difference... Or what if He creates a new universe every second and it only appears to us there's a past and a future when there's only a succession of nows and the last second now and the next second now don't exist.
 
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Guy Threepwood

Mighty Pirate
Yes. If you told an AI, "Okay, build a tv. A tv is something that receives a certain type of signal and provides moving images and sound," you might not even get anything close to what we view as "tv's". Will it even make a screen when AI can interface with the object directly? Will it add colors and sounds that the human senses do not detect because IT can? Etc, etc.

http://www.evolvingai.org/


There is a stimulus that changes either the DNA itself or the catalysts that read the data. It can happen "for no reason" (though it's not literally "no reason", more like "there were quirks you didn't notice").

If God requires 6 days or billions of years to create a planet and the life on it, can He do it quicker than that or is He bound to a certain timeline?

And if He CAN, why is there no evidence of this, in the bible or outside it?

Again God created time itself, he created those billions of years, it didn't take him that amount of 'time'.

We have evidence that the entire universe, and all the information needed to ultimately create us, was contained in a tiny dimensionless 'primeval atom' which unfolded instantaneously, so that's pretty quick!

The Bible talks about the heavens unfolding as a curtain or tent to form a space for us to live in. That's a very elegant way of describing the unfolding of larger dimensions from smaller ones, something we have only recently found evidence for and started to try to wrap our heads around.
 

Guy Threepwood

Mighty Pirate
I just wonder if God wanted a universe with people in it why didn't he just create a universe with people in it at once instead of faffing about 13.7 billion years creating dinosaurs and stuff? Or maybe He created everything yesterday and just made it look like we have a past history. We wouldn't know the difference... Or what if He creates a new universe every second and it only appears to us there's a past and a future when there's only a succession of nows and the last second now and the next second now don't exist.


He did, remember time itself is a creation of this universe. He is obviously not bound by our time, so he didn't have to 'wait' 13.7 billion years. Did Leo Tolstoy have to read all of War and Peace, at the same pace the story unfolds, to find out how it ends!?

We used to point to earthquakes and volcanoes as 'bad design' until we realized they are an essential part of a dynamic functioning life sustaining planet.
There will always be things we don't understand yet, that we might point to as bad design, atheism of the gaps?

Regarding dinosaurs..

During their reign, the Earth stored millions of years of solar energy for us, depositing it in vast amounts of convenient solid, liquid and gas fuel forms just below the surface.
When this physically dominant life was surgically removed by a perfectly aimed weighted asteroid, we inherited all this energy that made modern life possible, ultimately allowed us to launch satellites, orbiting telescopes, manned and unmanned vehicles to explore and learn about God's creation.

Yet another staggering coincidence? not impossible I suppose but I wouldn't bet on it.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
The reason is that different mechanisms randomly produce loads of different genes and this gene got this function while others got different functions and loads got no function at all.

And why it has functions in first place, what makes one code to have a specific job?

And if this someone didn't evolve who is behind that someone since if we can't exist naturally obviously neither can a being supposed to be more advanced than us...

We have no knowledge about the creator and what kind of reality is he, we can't understand how a thing is always existing, but there's no other option than God is always existing.

The universe isn't the answer because it isn't always existing, it has a beginning and it'll has an end, so God is beyond this universe.
 
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Guy Threepwood

Mighty Pirate
He created time as we know it.

It's always tricky conceptually, time appears to be so intuitive to us, such an 'immutable' law of nature from our perspective right?

But we already know that time, like mass, is quite malleable, something of an illusion, it moves at different speeds even between the ground and an airplane..


Think of it this way, just because we can only occupy one space a time, doesn't mean other spaces do not exist at the same time right

So too with time, we can only occupy one slice, but this does not mean the other times do not exist in the larger perspective


Also consider that your apparent paradox applies to a naturalistic origin of time also- how could anything be created naturally before there was any natural time to create anything in?


By definition and necessity, whether by design or accident, the creator of time transcends it
 

ArtieE

Well-Known Member
And why it has functions in first place, what makes one code to have a specific job?
That's how the DNA evolved. Listen, you seem to have an unlimited supply of questions I suggest you contact the biology department at some major university and I'm sure they will provide you with every little detail about what is known about the process. I can't.
 

FearGod

Freedom Of Mind
That's how the DNA evolved. Listen, you seem to have an unlimited supply of questions I suggest you contact the biology department at some major university and I'm sure they will provide you with every little detail about what is known about the process. I can't.

No answers for such kind of questions other than a designed work, the same as we do with electronics,
the resistor has a function and which is to resist the current flow and each resistor has a specific value
and specific properties to be used according to a planned electronic diagram, the same thing with capacitors
and other electronic components, each has a function which is designed and not the work of randomness.
 

ArtieE

Well-Known Member
No answers for such kind of questions.
OK then simply contact the biology department at a major university and either have them give you the answers or a signed statement that they have no answers and I'll believe it.
 
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JoStories

Well-Known Member
A team of British researchers have “confirmed” that consciousness can go on when someone dies but the study also uncovered some disturbing aspects of the so-called afterlife.
http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/weird-news/scientists-finally-prove-life-after-7989503

Do you believe in the afterlife or still in doubt?
The Mirror is not a credible source to determine any scientific study. Thus, any premise they may or may not have 'concluded' is suspect to begin with. No one anywhere has ever found that life continues after brain death. No one.
 
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