Searching for proof of God/Islam - Tell me why I'm wrong

[McBell]

Why not Satanism?

Good question.
I mean, even the IRS sees Satanism as a religion....

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

We don't see satanism as a religion as we do not believe it is revealed by God but man made.

Buddhism has nothing to do with any deity, however.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Buddhism has nothing to do with any deity, however.

More specifically, it has nothing to do with man's (re)union with the divine.

 

[loverofhumanity]

That's anti-clericalist rubbish and offensive to those who accept Holy Orders as valid and required. As for the rest of your post, it's logically impossible to accept all religions as true. You, yourself, are being a hypocrite because you don't accept all religions as true, yourself. So why continue to spout idiotic rhetoric?

Of course I don't find all religions as true. I think that most religions have varying degrees of truth in them and I can respect them on that basis, as well as respecting the diversity of human views and experiences in this area. However, it's just a fact that some religions are just stupid, wrong and/or outright harmful. Moreover, no, I do not accept Mohammad or Baha'u'llah as messengers of God. (I respect the Buddha but he would abhor being thought of as the messenger of any deity.) You'll just have to get over the fact that people are not going to agree with you.

I sincerely and humbly apologise. I should have included these Words of Baha'u'llah which praise religious leaders of a good character.

Please forgive me for my oversight.

This is extremely high praise for all religious leaders who do good. By 'Divines' is meant religious leaders.

“THOSE divines ... who are truly adorned with the ornament of knowledge and of a goodly character are, verily, as a head to the body of the world, and as eyes to the nations. The guidance of men hath, at all times, been and is dependent upon these blessed souls.”

Bahá’u’lláh. “Proclamation of Baha'u'llah

 

[McBell]

We don't see satanism as a religion as we do not believe it is revealed by God but man made.

What makes a religion "revealed by god"?

 

[loverofhumanity]

Buddhism has nothing to do with any deity, however.

We are told the Buddha taught the oneness of God but that His original teachings have been lost. We accept that but respect others who think otherwise.

“The Buddha was a Manifestation of God, like Christ, but His followers do not possess His authentic writings.”

Excerpt From: Hornby. “Lights of Guidance.

There are several statements in the Buddhist scriptures to the effect that the true dharma (dhamma) preached by the Buddha would gradually disappear from the world (The Five Disappearances)

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

What makes a religion "revealed by god"?

The claim by an individual of revelation. Thus, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Saul/Paul, Helen Shucman, Joseph Smith, Muhammad, Isaiah, Baha'u'llah, Akenaton and countless others are all the possessors of religions "revealed by god." Thus, there are either a multiplicity of gods with different messages to reveal, or a multiplicity of liars. I don't claim to know which, but I have very strong leanings...

 

[loverofhumanity]

What makes a religion "revealed by god"?

The Two proofs that a religion is revealed by God are the Prophet Himself, His Life and His Holy Book or Teachings. After They pass away Their Holy Book.

It is left for us to choose to follow or reject it.

 

[McBell]

The Two proofs that a religion is revealed by God are the Prophet Himself, His Life and His Holy Book or Teachings. After They pass away Their Holy Book.

It is left for us to choose to follow or reject it.

Why does it have to be revealed by "god"?

 

[loverofhumanity]

You are so utterly clueless that I am literally almost without words to respond. You apparently have no concept of what it is you have written. It's like the old joke about the fellow who says to his friend, "I was on the bus today and the most amazing happened. I was seated across from a man who, except for the fact that there was absolutely no resemblance whatsoever, looked exactly like you."

I'm not perfect. Apologies. Thanks for pointing out anything you feel are errors. I always respect your views and will try and be better.

I see your criticism not as criticism but as encouragement to be better. Yes I need to be better and have a lot to learn.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Why does it have to be revealed by "god"?

Man made religion can be revealed by man but not Divine religion because man is not Divine or infallible and all knowing.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Man made religion can be revealed by man but not Divine religion because man is not Divine or infallible and all knowing.

Unfortunately, this doesn't say anything of real worth -- although it does try to imply that there is something that is "revealed" that is of worth. The problem, you see, is that with all the searching we've ever done in the world, every single scripture, every book, every sentence, every word, every letter, every punctuation mark, was written by man. Not divine, not infallible and not all knowing.

Now, if you think that you have some way of determining that the scripture you love actually does come from a divine, infallible and all knowing source, can you do two things for us?

1. Tell us why you think so, and
2. Explain the mistakes?

 

[RabbiO]

The claim by an individual of revelation. Thus, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Saul/Paul, Helen Shucman, Joseph Smith, Muhammad, Isaiah, Baha'u'llah, Akenaton and countless others are all the possessors of religions "revealed by god." Thus, there are either a multiplicity of gods with different messages to reveal, or a multiplicity of liars. I don't claim to know which, but I have very strong leanings...

I'm glad to see you!! I know it disrupts the flow of this thread, but..... I am really glad to see you!

 

[loverofhumanity]

Unfortunately, this doesn't say anything of real worth -- although it does try to imply that there is something that is "revealed" that is of worth. The problem, you see, is that with all the searching we've ever done in the world, every single scripture, every book, every sentence, every word, every letter, every punctuation mark, was written by man. Not divine, not infallible and not all knowing.

Now, if you think that you have some way of determining that the scripture you love actually does come from a divine, infallible and all knowing source, can you do two things for us?

1. Tell us why you think so, and
2. Explain the mistakes?

I can only refer you to the Writings of Baha'u'llah and Abdul-Baha Reading them are what convinced me of the truth. That is the method I used.

I didn't find any mistakes.

"Every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God is endowed with such potency as can instill new life into every human frame, if ye be of them that comprehend this truth." Baha'u'llah

 

[loverofhumanity]

The claim by an individual of revelation. Thus, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Saul/Paul, Helen Shucman, Joseph Smith, Muhammad, Isaiah, Baha'u'llah, Akenaton and countless others are all the possessors of religions "revealed by god." Thus, there are either a multiplicity of gods with different messages to reveal, or a multiplicity of liars. I don't claim to know which, but I have very strong leanings...

What about this concept? A person asks whether any of the Prophets are superior to the others.

In thine esteemed letter thou hadst inquired which of the Prophets of God should be regarded as superior to others. Know thou assuredly that the essence of all the Prophets of God is one and the same. Their unity is absolute. God, the Creator, saith: There is no distinction whatsoever among the Bearers of My Message. They all have but one purpose; their secret is the same secret. To prefer one in honor to another, to exalt certain ones above the rest, is in no wise to be permitted. - Baha'u'llah

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

We are told the Buddha taught the oneness of God but that His original teachings have been lost. We accept that but respect others who think otherwise.

I've never held truck with this kind of claim. It's essentially God-of-the-gaps theology. 'There's an indeterminate amount of time between when Buddha died and when the first written Buddhist scriptures appear so we'll just insert our God in there and say it's what he really taught'. It's such a disgusting attempt at religious imperialism.

 

[loverofhumanity]

I've never held truck with this kind of claim. It's essentially God-of-the-gaps theology. 'There's an indeterminate amount of time between when Buddha died and when the first written Buddhist scriptures appear so we'll just insert our God in there and say it's what he really taught'. It's such a disgusting attempt at religious imperialism.

One can interpret according to One's beliefs but we believe Baha'u'llah was Maitreya and that is how we understand it. But that's just our view. We respect others have perhaps an opposite view. That is fine.

Even the Buddha said His Teachings would disappear over time.

Consult the Five Disappearances

http://www.sacred-texts.com/bud/bits/bits102.htm

A Countefeit Dhamma would arise

https://suttacentral.net/en/sn16.13

Buddha Teaches God

http://www.sacred-texts.com/bud/btg/btg27.htm

 

[McBell]

Man made religion can be revealed by man but not Divine religion because man is not Divine or infallible and all knowing.

So if the religion does not claim to be given by a god, it cannot be a religion?

 

[loverofhumanity]

So if the religion does not claim to be given by a god, it cannot be a religion?

The Prophets of God, They are the Ones to make that call and Who I refer to in giving any answer in that subject. I, myself do not decide which is a true religion and which is not.

We only know which religions are true from Baha'u'llah's Revelation.
We are told Buddhist, Hindu, Islam, Babi, Baha'i, Zoroastrian, Christian and Sabean and that before recorded history there were also Prophets but Their names have been lost.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

The Prophets of God, They are the Ones to make that call and Who I refer to in giving any answer in that subject. I, myself do not decide which is a true religion and which is not.

We only know which religions are true from Baha'u'llah's Revelation.
We are told Buddhist, Hindu, Islam, Babi, Baha'i, Zoroastrian, Christian and Sabean and that before recorded history there were also Prophets but Their names have been lost.

What did Baha'u'llah have to say about Satanism?