Searching for proof of God/Islam - Tell me why I'm wrong

[RabbiO]

I meant not to incite hatred against other religions or oppress others because of their beliefs.

I did not say that you meant to. I did not even say that you had.

I'm just trying to get clarification on your remarks. In that regard, I'd appreciate the answers to my questions

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Any religion that teaches that other religions are false is no religion.

That's at least Islam and Christianity out of the running then since both claim other faiths as false.

 

[LuisDantas]

Any religion that teaches that other religions are false is no religion.

That is simply not workable. At some point you have to decide that some movements that claim to be religions either are not religions at all or should not be regarded as trustworthy nonetheless.

 

[loverofhumanity]

I did not say that you meant to. I did not even say that you had.

I'm just trying to get clarification on your remarks. In that regard, I'd appreciate the answers to my questions

All the Prophets whether Moses, Christ or Muhammad and their Holy Books never taught that the other major religions were false

But religion as taught by clergy, priests and Mullas teaches the others are false. This is not true religion.

True religion would never reject Christ or Buddha or Muhamnad or Baha'u'llah.


"Leaders of religion, in every age, have hindered their people from attaining the shores of eternal salvation, inasmuch as they held the reins of authority in their mighty grasp. Some for the lust of leadership, others through want of knowledge and understanding, have been the cause of the deprivation of the people. By their sanction and authority, every Prophet of God hath drunk from the chalice of sacrifice, and winged His flight unto the heights of glory. What unspeakable cruelties they that have occupied the seats of authority and learning have inflicted upon the true Monarchs of the world, those Gems of divine virtue! - Baha'u'llah

 

[LuisDantas]

We are the 'lepers and unclean infidels' of Iranian society.

How do you reconcile that with your claims that all religions are true?

 

[loverofhumanity]

That is simply not workable. At some point you have to decide that some movements that claim to be religions either are not religions at all or should not be regarded as trustworthy nonetheless.

The ones we are told were authentic religions are Sabean, Hindu, Buddhist, Judaism, Zoroastrianism, Christianity, Islam and the Babi and Baha'i Faiths.

Most others are sects and branches of these major Faiths or belong to social or moral transformers such as Confuciius.

 

[loverofhumanity]

How do you reconcile that with your claims that all religions are true?

The blame lies with the corrupt clergy only.

 

[Prestor John]

about devinity of christ no.
we believe that prophet jesus peace be upon him is one of the greatest messenger of God.
we honor him and respect him believe in him and his prophecy.
he is the messenger of God and his servant not his son.
i invite you to read my post prophet jesus and his honorable mother mary peace be upon him in the holy quran.
God introduced mary peace be upon her as a great exempler for all true believers in the holy quran!

I can never accept the teachings of Mohammad, Islam or the Quran if they deny the divinity of the Lord Jesus Christ.

I know that He is the Son of God and the Savior of all Mankind.

 

[LuisDantas]

The ones we are told were authentic religions are Sabean, Hindu, Buddhist, Judaism, Zoroastrianism, Christianity, Islam and the Babi and Baha'i Faiths.

Most others are sects and branches of these major Faiths or belong to social or moral transformers such as Confuciius.

I disagree, but fair enough. It is a clear stance and I don't think I can ask for anything better.

The blame lies with the corrupt clergy only.

Again, I beg to differ.

 

[RabbiO]

All the Prophets whether Moses, Christ or Muhammad and their Holy Books never taught that the other major religions were false

But religion as taught by clergy, priests and Mullas teaches the others are false. This is not true religion.

True religion would never reject Christ or Buddha or Muhamnad or Baha'u'llah.

Now you deserve this -

Because for all your "I'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony" rhetoric, you have, in fact, now called all other religions, other than Baha'i, false religions.

Though obviously I am not singled out in your post, you have impugned my honor and integrity, as a rabbi, by what you have written. Heck, you have impugned the honor and integrity of anyone, of any faith other than your own, who serves in a religious capacity.

You've also betrayed your ignorance, but that would be the subject of another post and to tell you the truth, you're not worth the time nor the effort.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

i invite you to read sayings and behaviours of prophet mohammad peace be upon him and his immaculate ahl-ul-bayt.
they are infallible and his not sayings and behaviours are completely according to islam.
they never speak from there own desire.

al-islam.org

No, thanks.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

All the Prophets whether Moses, Christ or Muhammad and their Holy Books never taught that the other major religions were false

But religion as taught by clergy, priests and Mullas teaches the others are false. This is not true religion.

True religion would never reject Christ or Buddha or Muhamnad or Baha'u'llah.


"Leaders of religion, in every age, have hindered their people from attaining the shores of eternal salvation, inasmuch as they held the reins of authority in their mighty grasp. Some for the lust of leadership, others through want of knowledge and understanding, have been the cause of the deprivation of the people. By their sanction and authority, every Prophet of God hath drunk from the chalice of sacrifice, and winged His flight unto the heights of glory. What unspeakable cruelties they that have occupied the seats of authority and learning have inflicted upon the true Monarchs of the world, those Gems of divine virtue! - Baha'u'llah

That's anti-clericalist rubbish and offensive to those who accept Holy Orders as valid and required. As for the rest of your post, it's logically impossible to accept all religions as true. You, yourself, are being a hypocrite because you don't accept all religions as true, yourself. So why continue to spout idiotic rhetoric?

Of course I don't find all religions as true. I think that most religions have varying degrees of truth in them and I can respect them on that basis, as well as respecting the diversity of human views and experiences in this area. However, it's just a fact that some religions are just stupid, wrong and/or outright harmful. Moreover, no, I do not accept Mohammad or Baha'u'llah as messengers of God. (I respect the Buddha but he would abhor being thought of as the messenger of any deity.) You'll just have to get over the fact that people are not going to agree with you.

 

[RabbiO]

You'll just have to get over the fact that people are not going to agree with you.

If the poster had stopped at - The world needs unity, love and peace and we all need to learn to get along together much better. We should be talking about our common humanity. - we'd all have been nodding our heads and hoping for a day when we all treat one another with respect and love. But some people don't know when to stop talking.

 

[loverofhumanity]

That's anti-clericalist rubbish and offensive to those who accept Holy Orders as valid and required. As for the rest of your post, it's logically impossible to accept all religions as true. You, yourself, are being a hypocrite because you don't accept all religions as true, yourself. So why continue to spout idiotic rhetoric?

Of course I don't find all religions as true. I think that most religions have varying degrees of truth in them and I can respect them on that basis, as well as respecting the diversity of human views and experiences in this area. However, it's just a fact that some religions are just stupid, wrong and/or outright harmful. Moreover, no, I do not accept Mohammad or Baha'u'llah as messengers of God. (I respect the Buddha but he would abhor being thought of as the messenger of any deity.) You'll just have to get over the fact that people are not going to agree with you.

I respect your views. We accept the major religions as true. That is what I mean by all religions. We believe they come from the same Source.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I respect your views. We accept the major religions as true. That is what I mean by all religions. We believe they come from the same Source.

I disagree, and we can leave it at that.

 

[loverofhumanity]

Now you deserve this -

Because for all your "I'd like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony" rhetoric, you have, in fact, now called all other religions, other than Baha'i, false religions.

Though obviously I am not singled out in your post, you have impugned my honor and integrity, as a rabbi, by what you have written. Heck, you have impugned the honor and integrity of anyone, of any faith other than your own, who serves in a religious capacity.

You've also betrayed your ignorance, but that would be the subject of another post and to tell you the truth, you're not worth the time nor the effort.

We accept all the major Faiths as true but we do not accept the interpretations of their leaders. That is all.

 

[The_Fisher_King]

What are you defining as religion? Things like terrorism and satanism are not seen as religion by us so let's be clear about the definition of religion first.

Why not Satanism?

 

[loverofhumanity]

Why not Satanism?

We don't see satanism as a religion as we do not believe it is revealed by God but man made.

 

[RabbiO]

We accept all the major Faiths as true but we do not accept the interpretations of their leaders. That is all.

You are so utterly clueless that I am literally almost without words to respond. You apparently have no concept of what it is you have written. It's like the old joke about the fellow who says to his friend, "I was on the bus today and the most amazing happened. I was seated across from a man who, except for the fact that there was absolutely no resemblance whatsoever, looked exactly like you."

 

[The_Fisher_King]

We don't see satanism as a religion as we do not believe it is revealed by God but man made.

Okay, what about Haitian Vodou? Or Shinto?