Second Coming

[Trailblazer]

Let's see a few verses on Christ's resurrection.

This man, delivered up by the determined counsel and foreknowledge of God, you, through the hand of lawless men, nailed to a cross and killed; Whom God has raised up, having loosed the pangs of death, since it was not possible for Him to be held by it. (Acts 2:23,24)

This Jesus God has raised up, of which we all are witnesses. (v. 32)

And the Author of life you killed, whom God has raised from the dead, of which we are witnesses. (Acts 3:15)

I do not care what Paul says since I think much of what he said about Jesus is false.

How Paul changed the course of Christianity

This is an excerpt from the book entitled The Light Shineth in Darkness, Studies in revelation after Christ by Udo Schaefer. This section explains how Paul changed the Christianity of Jesus. It is important to note that the views expressed by this author reflect his individual perspective and...

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[Feedmysheep]

Let it be known to you all and to all the people of Israel that in the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene, whom you crucified and whom God has raised from the dead, (Acts. 4:10a)

The God of our fathers has raised Jesus, whom you slew by hanging Him on a tree. (Acts 5:30)

This One, God raised on the third day; and He has made Him manifest, (Acts 10:40)

But God raised Him from the dead. (Acts 13:30)

That God has fully fulfilled this promise to us their children in raising up Jesus, as it is also written in the second Psalm, “You are My Son; this day have I begotten You.” (Acts 13:33)

But He whom God has raised did not see corruption. (v. 37)

Because He has set a day in which He is to judge the world in righteousness by the man whom He has designated, having furnished proof to all by raising Him from the dead. (Acts 17:31)

 

[Trailblazer]

Let it be known to you all and to all the people of Israel that in the name of Jesus Christ the Nazarene, whom you crucified and whom God has raised from the dead, (Acts. 4:10a)

The God of our fathers has raised Jesus, whom you slew by hanging Him on a tree. (Acts 5:30)

This One, God raised on the third day; and He has made Him manifest, (Acts 10:40)

But God raised Him from the dead. (Acts 13:30)

That God has fully fulfilled this promise to us their children in raising up Jesus, as it is also written in the second Psalm, “You are My Son; this day have I begotten You.” (Acts 13:33)

But He whom God has raised did not see corruption. (v. 37)

Because He has set a day in which He is to judge the world in righteousness by the man whom He has designated, having furnished proof to all by raising Him from the dead. (Acts 17:31)

Like I just said, I do not care what Paul says since I think much of what he said about Jesus is false.
Got anyone besides Paul?

 

[Feedmysheep]

Why is it judged incredible among you if God raises the dead? (Acts 26:8)

That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; (Rom. 10:9a)

And God has both raised up the Lord and will raise us up through His power. (1 Cor. 6:14)

Knowing that He who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and will make us stand before Him with you. (2 Cor. 4:14)

And await His Son from the heavens, whom He raised from the dead, Jesus, who delivers us from the wrath which is coming. (2 Thess. 1:10)

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Like I just said, I do not care what Paul says since I think much of what he said about Jesus is false.
Got anyone besides Paul?

Paul didn't write Acts. He didn't write the Gospels, either, which say Jesus rose from the dead.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Like I just said, I do not care what Paul says since I think much of what he said about Jesus is false.
Got anyone besides Paul?

Personally, I take what is written in the Bible with a grain of salt, particularly the stories about Jesus.

So a Christian quoting the Bible to me or to others as if it were authoritative means nothing to me.

 

[Feedmysheep]

Like I just said, I do not care what Paul says since I think much of what he said about Jesus is false.
Got anyone besides Paul?

Moving the goal post will not help you.

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has regenerated us unto a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, (1 Peter 2:3)

Which water, as the antitype, also now saves you, that is, baptism, not a putting away of the filth of the flesh but the appeal of a good conscience unto God, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, (1 Peter 3:21)

And the living One; and I became dead, and behold, I am living forever and ever; and I have the keys of death and of Hades. (Rev. 1:18)

 

[Feedmysheep]

Misdirection of annoyanceat with Jesus is often directed at the Apostle Paul.
Actually the ones with the loudest complaints against Paul have their REAL objection to Christ.

This is the old "Jesus we like. But Paul messed everything up" line.

Meanwhile Christ said to receive Him whom He sends is to receive Him.

Truly, truly, I say to you, He who receives whomever I shall send receives Me, and he who receives Me receives Him who sent Me. (John 13:20)

 

[InChrist]

Anyone who since Christ lived, died, and rose from the dead, who desires to start a new faith cannot ignore Jesus Christ.

Neither Mohammed, not Baha'u' llah, or Sun Myung Moon, or Joseph Smith, or Mary Baker Eddy, or Charles Russell, or Elijah Muhammed, or whoever -
No one since Christ wanting to start a religion can resist the temptation to attempt teaching "Oh we believe in Jesus Christ too, you know?"

They all try to somehow bring Christ under their banner.

Exactly, all false teachers/ religions incorporate Jesus Christ one way or another… just a “different” Jesus than the One of whom the biblical scriptures reveal and testify of…


But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the [a]simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it!
2 Corinthians 11:3-4

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

I do not care what Paul says since I think much of what he said about Jesus is false.

I believe that the verses in the Bible that are attributed to Jesus speaking are also false, as you pointed out in other threads. Personally, I believe that the stories about him were either embellished hearsay or adapted from Greek mythology and other pagan religions that predate the Bible and Christianity.

 

[Trailblazer]

Moving the goal post will not help you.

I don't need any help. I am a Baha'i, so I know the truth.

 

[Feedmysheep]

How is the following passage a denial of the Son? Rather, it is a glorification of the Son, so you have that backwards.

“Know thou that when the Son of Man yielded up His breath to God, the whole creation wept with a great weeping.

There were those who were rejoicing in their wickedness and darkness that Jesus the Son of Man / the Son of God died.

Truly, truly, I say to you that you will weep and lament, but the world will rejoice;
you will be sorrowful, but your sorrow will be turned into joy. (John 16:20)

So the flattering teaching that all the people wept with great weeping is a lie.

Here is no weeping but bitter suspicion and relief that the Son of God had been crucified.

On the next day, which is the day after the preparation, the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered unto Pilate,
Saying, Sir, we have remembered that while He was still living, that deceiver said, After three days I will arise.
Therefore, give orders for the grave to be secured until the third day, lest His disciples come and steal Him away and say to the people, He has been raised from the dead. And the last deception will be worse than the first.(Matt. 27:62-64)

So it is an antichrist teaching that all creation wept at the suffering and death of the Son of God.
I call it an antichrist teaching in the sense that it is a gospel of "another Jesus" and "another gospel".

For if indeed he who comes preaches another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit, which you have not received, or a different gospel, which you have not accepted, you bear well with him. (2 Cor. 11:4)


I marvel that you are so quickly removing from Him who has called you in the grace of Christ to a different gospel,
Which is not another gospel, only there are some who trouble you and desire to pervert the gospel of Christ.

But if even we or an angel out of heaven should announce to you a gospel beyond that which we have announced to you, let him be accursed.
(Gal. 1:6-8)

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

I don't need any help. I am a Baha'i, so I know the truth.

I respect your beliefs as a Baha'i, even though I am not one myself. However, I will say that I am relieved that I'm no longer a Christian.

 

[Trailblazer]

So it is an antichrist teaching that all creation wept at the suffering and death of the Son of God.
I call it an antichrist teaching in the sense that it is a gospel of "another Jesus" and "another gospel".

For if indeed he who comes preaches another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or you receive a different spirit, which you have not received, or a different gospel, which you have not accepted, you bear well with him. (2 Cor. 11:4)

I marvel that you are so quickly removing from Him who has called you in the grace of Christ to a different gospel,
Which is not another gospel, only there are some who trouble you and desire to pervert the gospel of Christ.

But if even we or an angel out of heaven should announce to you a gospel beyond that which we have announced to you, let him be accursed.
(Gal. 1:6-8)

The Revelation of Baha'u'llah is not another gospel. Only Jesus had a gospel.
The Revelation of Baha'u'llah is is a new revelation from God.

Baha'u'llah never claimed to be another Jesus. He claimed to be the return of the Christ Spirit in another man with a new name.

The Bible says Christ would return with a new name, so we know the return of Christ would not be Jesus.

Revelation 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

Revelation 3:12-13 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Isaiah 62:2 And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the Lord shall name.

 

[Trailblazer]

I respect your beliefs as a Baha'i, even though I am not one myself. However, I will say that I am relieved that I'm that you are no longer a Christian.

And I for one am glad you are no longer a Christian. What a prison to be let out of.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

And I for one am glad you are no longer a Christian. What a prison to be let out of.

Amen to that. I can honestly say that renouncing my Christian faith was one of the best decisions I have ever made.

 

[Trailblazer]

So it is an antichrist teaching

Baha’u’llah cannot be the Anti-Christ because..........

The Bible says that the Anti-Christ:

1. Denies that Jesus is the Christ. ** Baha'u'llah affirms that Jesus is the Christ.

1 John Chapter 2
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

2. Denies the Father and the Son. ** Baha'u'llah affirms the Father and the Son.

1 John Chapter 2
23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

3. Denies that Jesus came in the flesh and cleansed us of sin.
** Baha'u'llah affirms that Jesus came in the flesh and cleansed us of sin.

1 John Chapter 4
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
** Baha'u'llah confessed that Jesus Christ came in the flesh.

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
** Baha'u'llah was not already in the world when John was written.

1 John Chapter 1
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
** Baha'u'llah wrote that Jesus cleansed us of sin.

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
** Baha'u'llah acknowledged that we have sin.

4. Is equated with deceivers and linked with false prophets.

1 John Chapter 4
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
** Baha'u'llah is not linked to any false prophets because He had good fruits (Matthew 7:16-20).

5. Is already in the world during the writing of the epistles of John (100 AD)

1 John Chapter 4
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
** Baha'u'llah was not already in the world when John was written.

6. Is a former Christian.

1 John Chapter 2
19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
** Baha'u'llah was not a former Christian. He was a former Muslim.

 

[1213]

Matthew 24:27 For just as the lightning comes out of the east and shines over to the west, so the presence of the Son of man will be.

It does not mean he will show up so that everyone will notice it.
If it is going to be such a huge event, why does the Bible say he will come as a thief in the night, so we should be watching, lest we miss the event?

The point Jesus is making with the thief comparison is, it will come when people don't expect it, surprisingly. Not that it will happen secretly without people noticing it.

 

[ChristineM]

There will be no need for that.

I would say there is a need. Over a period of 2000 years different people have given different dates and so far it's never happened.
I'll wait on my side of the fence and you tell me that way i know to keep away.

 

[Trailblazer]

The point Jesus is making with the thief comparison is, it will come when people don't expect it, surprisingly. Not that it will happen secretly without people noticing it.

It didn't happen secretly without people noticing it.