Second Coming

[cataway]

does it say he would someday return ?

 

[Trailblazer]

does it say he would someday return ?

No, Jesus said He would not return to this world.

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

 

[cataway]

No, Jesus said He would not return to this world.

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

3 While he was sitting on the Mount of Olives,b the disciples approached him privately, saying: “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presencec and of the conclusion of the system of things?”d4 In answer Jesus said to them: “Look out that nobody misleads you,e 5 for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many.f 6 You are going to hear of wars and reports of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for these things must take place, but the end is not yet.g7 “For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom,h and there will be food shortagesi and earthquakes in one place after another.j 8 All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress.9 “Then people will hand you over to tribulationk and will kill you,l and you will be hated by all the nations on account of my name.m 10 Then, too, many will be stumbled and will betray one another and will hate one another. 11 Many false prophets will arise and mislead many;n 12 and because of the increasing of lawlessness, the love of the greater number will grow cold.o 13 But the one who has endured to the end will be saved.p 14 And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations,q and then the end will come.15 “Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy placer (let the reader use discernment), 16 then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains.s 17 Let the man on the housetop not come down to take the goods out of his house, 18 and let the man in the field not return to pick up his outer garment.t 19 Woe to the pregnant women and those nursing a baby in those days!u 20 Keep praying that your flight may not occur in wintertime nor on the Sabbath day; 21 for then there will be great tribulationv such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again.w 22 In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.x23 “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look! Here is the Christ,’y or, ‘There!’ do not believe it.z 24 For false Christs and false prophetsa will arise and will perform great signs and wonders so as to mislead,b if possible, even the chosen ones. 25 Look! I have forewarned you. 26 Therefore, if people say to you, ‘Look! He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; ‘Look! He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.c 27 For just as the lightning comes out of the east and shines over to the west, so the presence of the Son of man will be.d

 

[Trailblazer]

3 While he was sitting on the Mount of Olives,b the disciples approached him privately, saying: “Tell us, when will these things be, and what will be the sign of your presencec and of the conclusion of the system of things?”d4 In answer Jesus said to them: “Look out that nobody misleads you,e 5 for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many.f 6 You are going to hear of wars and reports of wars. See that you are not alarmed, for these things must take place, but the end is not yet.g7 “For nation will rise against nation and kingdom against kingdom,h and there will be food shortagesi and earthquakes in one place after another.j 8 All these things are a beginning of pangs of distress.9 “Then people will hand you over to tribulationk and will kill you,l and you will be hated by all the nations on account of my name.m 10 Then, too, many will be stumbled and will betray one another and will hate one another. 11 Many false prophets will arise and mislead many;n 12 and because of the increasing of lawlessness, the love of the greater number will grow cold.o 13 But the one who has endured to the end will be saved.p 14 And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations,q and then the end will come.15 “Therefore, when you catch sight of the disgusting thing that causes desolation, as spoken about by Daniel the prophet, standing in a holy placer (let the reader use discernment), 16 then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains.s 17 Let the man on the housetop not come down to take the goods out of his house, 18 and let the man in the field not return to pick up his outer garment.t 19 Woe to the pregnant women and those nursing a baby in those days!u 20 Keep praying that your flight may not occur in wintertime nor on the Sabbath day; 21 for then there will be great tribulationv such as has not occurred since the world’s beginning until now, no, nor will occur again.w 22 In fact, unless those days were cut short, no flesh would be saved; but on account of the chosen ones those days will be cut short.x23 “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look! Here is the Christ,’y or, ‘There!’ do not believe it.z 24 For false Christs and false prophetsa will arise and will perform great signs and wonders so as to mislead,b if possible, even the chosen ones. 25 Look! I have forewarned you. 26 Therefore, if people say to you, ‘Look! He is in the wilderness,’ do not go out; ‘Look! He is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.c 27 For just as the lightning comes out of the east and shines over to the west, so the presence of the Son of man will be.d

Jesus warned of false prophets because there have been many false prophets...
Jesus warned of men coming claiming to be Christ because many men have come claiming to be Christ...

None of these warnings change the fact that Jesus said He would not return to this world.
Jesus never promised to return to this world, not even once in the entire New Testament.
That means that 'the return of Christ' has to be another man.

 

[Twilight Hue]

When Do you think he’ll arrive? Where do you think he’ll show up?

When Paul met him as the tale says.

So much for second coming.

 

[cataway]

Jesus warned of false prophets because there have been many false prophets...
Jesus warned of men coming claiming to be Christ because many men have come claiming to be Christ...

None of these warnings change the fact that Jesus said He would not return to this world.
Jesus never promised to return to this world, not even once in the entire New Testament.
That means that 'the return of Christ' has to be another man.

maybe you did not see the word "presence " in the verse ,hummm ,why? presence = person or thing that exists or is present in a place but is not seen .

 

[Jimmy]

maybe you did not see the word "presence " in the verse ,hummm ,why? presence = person or thing that exists or is present in a place but is not seen .

U don’t feel his Presence?

 

[cataway]

did you see "5 for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will mislead many."
many will be saying Jesus is the christ, that is true . but what will be being said will be lies.

 

[cataway]

U don’t feel his Presence?

oh but i do

 

[Mock Turtle]

" Second Coming "
Mock Turtle said:
Don't really believe in any First Coming, so this prediction makes no sense either.

Is one's believing ( as one said " I believe") out of blind-faith, or is it reason based , please, right?
Did Jesus/Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah, ever like a blind faith, please, right?
If yes, then kindly quote from him, please. Right?

Regards

You think I should simply accept some particular writing from the past as being sufficient evidence for a Jesus as depicted? Not going to happen I'm afraid, and I would need better evidence. So why would I believe a Second Coming when the first is still doubtful - as being The Son of God, and all the rest?

 

[paarsurrey]

" Second Coming "

paarsurrey said:
" Second Coming "
Mock Turtle said:
Don't really believe in any First Coming, so this prediction makes no sense either.

paarsurrey : Is one's believing ( as one said " I believe") out of blind-faith, or is it reason based , please, right?
Did Jesus/Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah, ever like a blind faith, please, right?
If yes, then kindly quote from him, please. Right?

You think I should simply accept some particular writing from the past as being sufficient evidence for a Jesus as depicted? Not going to happen I'm afraid, and I would need better evidence. So why would I believe a Second Coming when the first is still doubtful - as being The Son of God, and all the rest?

Well that is not my thinking, please, right?
Yeshua's First Coming was :

1. never as a god
2. or son of god
3. or begotten son of god
4. he never believed in any trinity
5. and never died on the Cross
6. and never raised from the dead

These are all unreasonable creeds fabricated later, please, right?
Just accept Jesus in Frist Coming

1. as s/o Mary,
2. a human being,
3. an Israelite,
4. a follower of Moses .

Isn't it reasonable, please?
Right?

Regards

 

[CG Didymus]

maybe you did not see the word "presence " in the verse ,hummm ,why? presence = person or thing that exists or is present in a place but is not seen .

As if Baha'is believe the Bible or the NT or the gospel of John literally. Those verse TB quotes are before the resurrection appearances, so they don't make literal sense anyway, because they did see him in the world again... and then he left again as they supposedly watched him ascend into the clouds.

The other problem, not for literal-believing Christians, but some of us doubters and I think for Baha'is also, is that John is quoting Jesus giving a very long speech, after several years he remembered exactly what Jesus said? I don't think so, and I don't think most Baha'is would think so. The only reason TB uses it, constantly, is to use the NT against Christians that do take it literally. But she only uses those few verses over and over again as if it proves something. And it does, she and other Baha'is don't really believe in the Bible and the NT. Which is fine with me, except they claim they do, and they cherry-pick it to find those special verses that they can use to prove that their prophet is the return of Christ.

 

[Mock Turtle]

" Second Coming "

paarsurrey said:
" Second Coming "
Mock Turtle said:
Don't really believe in any First Coming, so this prediction makes no sense either.

paarsurrey : Is one's believing ( as one said " I believe") out of blind-faith, or is it reason based , please, right?
Did Jesus/Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah, ever like a blind faith, please, right?
If yes, then kindly quote from him, please. Right?

Well that is not my thinking, please, right?
Yeshua's First Coming was :

1. never as a god
2. or son of god
3. or begotten son of god
4. he never believed in any trinity
5. and never died on the Cross
6. and never raised from the dead

These are all unreasonable creeds fabricated later, please, right?
Just accept Jesus in Frist Coming

1. as s/o Mary,
2. a human being,
3. an Israelite,
4. a follower of Moses .

Isn't it reasonable, please?
Right?

Regards

Is it reasonable? No. Given that the written material is not sufficient evidence and is not sufficiently supported by any impartial and independent evidence. Do you believe all historical writings or just the ones that appeal?

 

[paarsurrey]

Is it reasonable? No. Given that the written material is not sufficient evidence and is not sufficiently supported by any impartial and independent evidence. Do you believe all historical writings or just the ones that appeal?

All which is reasonable and based on truthful Word of Revelation from G-d must be believed, please, right?

Regards

 

[CG Didymus]

I believe He will show up just before the battle of Armageddon at the Mount of Olives.

The Bible says Jesus Christ will return to Jerusalem, at the end of the 7 year Tribulation period, to save the nation of Israel from destruction when the Antichrist and the armies of the world are gathered to destroy Israel.

How is it worded and how are you guys interpreting it to be so sure it is Jesus? I know at the end of Revelation someone tells John that they are coming, and John says "Yes, come Lord Jesus."

Here's the quote from the NIV "Rev 22:20 He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus." I think the "Lamb" is clearly Jesus, but for Baha'is they point to the verse that says that this person that returns will have a new name. So, how do Christians explain that?

 

[InChrist]

How is it worded and how are you guys interpreting it to be so sure it is Jesus? I know at the end of Revelation someone tells John that they are coming, and John says "Yes, come Lord Jesus."

Here's the quote from the NIV "Rev 22:20 He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus." I think the "Lamb" is clearly Jesus, but for Baha'is they point to the verse that says that this person that returns will have a new name. So, how do Christians explain that?

I agree the Lamb is clearly Jesus and it is Jesus Who is coming soon. I believe the entire book of Revelation is about the revelation of and return of Jesus Christ in His glory to deal with and rule the nations.

I don’t think the reference in Revelation 2:17 to a new name is in reference to Jesus Christ or His name because it is Christ who is speaking. Rather, He is saying He will give a new name to those who have overcome.
The link below has some related historical information which may be helpful…

Why is God going to give us a white stone with a new name? | GotQuestions.org

Why is God going to give us a white stone with a new name? What does Revelation 2:17 mean?

www.gotquestions.org

 

[Mock Turtle]

All which is reasonable and based on truthful Word of Revelation from G-d must be believed, please, right?

Regards

Only if you believe this - I am really God and I tell you this because it is the truth - the written word.

PS Not true of course.

 

[Muffled]

" Second Coming "
Mock Turtle said:
Don't really believe in any First Coming, so this prediction makes no sense either.

Is one's believing ( as one said " I believe") out of blind-faith, or is it reason based , please, right?
Did Jesus/Yeshua- the Israelite Messiah, ever like a blind faith, please, right?
If yes, then kindly quote from him, please. Right?

Regards

I believe it is an RF rule that nothing can be known that everything is a belief. I believe because God says So. I believe He is the most trustworthy source one can get.

I believe He stated that the person with blind faith was blessed. For me I am like the apostles who were able to touch the risen Jesus.

John 20:29 Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

 

[Muffled]

Only if you believe this - I am really God and I tell you this because it is the truth - the written word.

PS Not true of course.

I believe you wouldn't have a clue one way or the other.

 

[Mock Turtle]

I believe you wouldn't have a clue one way or the other.

Ta, because you know of course?