Second Coming

[CG Didymus]

I agree the Lamb is clearly Jesus and it is Jesus Who is coming soon. I believe the entire book of Revelation is about the revelation of and return of Jesus Christ in His glory to deal with and rule the nations.

I don’t think the reference in Revelation 2:17 to a new name is in reference to Jesus Christ or His name because it is Christ who is speaking. Rather, He is saying He will give a new name to those who have overcome.
The link below has some related historical information which may be helpful…

Why is God going to give us a white stone with a new name? | GotQuestions.org

Why is God going to give us a white stone with a new name? What does Revelation 2:17 mean?

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Of course, Baha'is find verses to support their belief that their prophets, the Bab and Baha'u'llah, are the return of Elijah and Christ, that is Christ, the anointed one, not Jesus the person.

They try and make an argument for the Bab being the "Lamb that was slain" be saying that the Bab was "slain" because he was shot by a firing squad. Whereas Jesus was not "slain" but crucified. But, to me, the main character in Revelation is this Lamb. The Bab is barely mentioned these days in the Baha'i Faith.

Their other "big" quote is about the "Three Woes"? They make the first Woe, Muhammad, and the second and third Woes, their prophets. The key verse is the one that says that the second Woe has passed, and the third Woe is coming quickly. I don't see how it fits the overall context, but that isn't important to Baha'is. A few verses makes the whole thing close enough for them.

 

[paarsurrey]

Second Coming

Those who could not understand First Coming of Jesus/Yeshua- the truthful and righteous Israelite Messiah, they cannot understand his Second Coming, right?

Regards

 

[IndigoChild5559]

When Do you think he’ll arrive? Where do you think he’ll show up?

Your question assumes that everyone thinks he is coming back. I'm not sure why you have chosen to place this in a debate forum where we all have very different religious beliefs. But since you have, I will answer. He's not coming back. He is dead.

 

[paarsurrey]

Second Coming

Those who could not understand First Coming of Jesus/Yeshua- the truthful and righteous Israelite Messiah, they cannot understand his Second Coming, right?

Yes, Jesus-Yeshua- the truthful Israelite Messiah did die a natural death at a late age of about 120 years in Kashmir, India and his tomb/grave is there in Mohallah Khanyar Srinagar India:

Right?

Regards

 

[Dave Watchman]

When Do you think he’ll arrive?

As best as I can tell, around 3025.

A bit sooner maybe.

"Heaven must receive him until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets.​

And "all things" are not made new again until after the thousand years are finished.

First, He should be doing another one of His Visitations.

That should be happening now.

It has to be happening now.

Anytime now.

Wait for it.

Wait.

Where do you think he’ll show up?

Back to earth.

Wherever the New Jerusalem can land.

Like a bride prepared.

"I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.​

Peaceful Sabbath.

 

[cataway]

As best as I can tell, around 3025.

A bit sooner maybe.

"Heaven must receive him until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets.​

And "all things" are not made new again until after the thousand years are finished.

First, He should be doing another one of His Visitations.

That should be happening now.

It has to be happening now.

Anytime now.

Wait for it.

Wait.



Back to earth.

Wherever the New Jerusalem can land.

Like a bride prepared.

"I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.​

Peaceful Sabbath.

''Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven '' refers to the kingdom goverment taking over to govern the earth. its not going to be a structure somewhere on earth

 

[Trailblazer]

''Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven '' refers to the kingdom goverment taking over to govern the earth.

Rev 21:2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.

According to my beliefs, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, is the Revelation from God that came through Baha'u'llah, which fulfilled promises of God, as recorded in the holy Scriptures.

“The time foreordained unto the peoples and kindreds of the earth is now come. The promises of God, as recorded in the holy Scriptures, have all been fulfilled. Out of Zion hath gone forth the Law of God, and Jerusalem, and the hills and land thereof, are filled with the glory of His Revelation. Happy is the man that pondereth in his heart that which hath been revealed in the Books of God, the Help in Peril, the Self-Subsisting. Meditate upon this, O ye beloved of God, and let your ears be attentive unto His Word, so that ye may, by His grace and mercy, drink your fill from the crystal waters of constancy, and become as steadfast and immovable as the mountain in His Cause.”

Bahá'í Reference Library - Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, Pages 12-14

There will be a new government as a result of the coming o Baha'u'llah, and the beginnings of that government are already in place.

Isaiah 9:6-7 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

The verse says that there shall be 'no end' to the government which means it will begin and be established gradually and continue to develop over time. The government will be more developed in the future as the prophecy says (increase in government).

Baha’u’llah set up a 'system of government' and it has already been established among the Baha’is. The institutions of that government are fully operational, but still in their infancy. What we now refer to as Local Spiritual assemblies (LSAs) and will eventually evolve into what will be called Houses of Justice.

its not going to be a structure somewhere on earth

There will be structures on earth to house the new system of government, which will be run by the people.

Rev 21:3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.

 

[Muffled]

Ta, because you know of course?

I believe I do.

 

[Muffled]

Second Coming

Those who could not understand First Coming of Jesus/Yeshua- the truthful and righteous Israelite Messiah, they cannot understand his Second Coming, right?

Regards

I believe that is why Jesus taught in parables to try to reduce complex ideas to more simple and familiar concepts.

 

[Muffled]

Your question assumes that everyone thinks he is coming back. I'm not sure why you have chosen to place this in a debate forum where we all have very different religious beliefs. But since you have, I will answer. He's not coming back. He is dead.

I believe He is alive in Paradise with eternal life as we are going to get when He returns.

 

[cataway]

As best as I can tell, around 3025.

A bit sooner maybe.

"Heaven must receive him until the time comes for God to restore everything, as he promised long ago through his holy prophets.​

And "all things" are not made new again until after the thousand years are finished.

First, He should be doing another one of His Visitations.

That should be happening now.

It has to be happening now.

Anytime now.

Wait for it.

Wait.



Back to earth.

Wherever the New Jerusalem can land.

Like a bride prepared.

"I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.​

Peaceful Sabbath.

''Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven '' refers to the kingdom goverment taking over to govern the earth. its not going to be a structure somewhere on earth

 

[Trailblazer]

I believe He is alive in Paradise with eternal life as we are going to get when He returns.

I believe that Jesus is alive in Paradise with eternal life, as those who believe in Him are going to get when they go to Paradise.
There is NO NEED for Jesus to return for us to get eternal life.

Jesus told us how we get eternal life:
John 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

I believe that Jesus is alive in Paradise with eternal life, as those who believe in Him are going to get when they go to Paradise.
There is NO NEED for Jesus to return for us to get eternal life.

Jesus told us how we get eternal life:
John 17:3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.

Not to mention Matthew 24:36-51.

 

[Trailblazer]

Not to mention Matthew 24:36-51.

Please note that verse 42 says “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come."

Jesus is not our Lord.
Never did Jesus say that he was going to return to earth -- NEVER EVER.

Christianity has so many false teachings that they are uncountable. You cannot blame the Bible for that.

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Please note that verse 42 says “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come."

Jesus is not our Lord.
Never did Jesus say that he was going to return to earth -- NEVER EVER.

Christianity has so many false teachings that they are uncountable.

Yes, some Christians believe Jesus will return, but if they claim to know when, then they are either ignorant of these verses or are blatantly ignoring them.

 

[Aupmanyav]

There is no God and there are no prophets / sons / messengers / manifestations / mahdis. There is no soul, heaven, hell, judgment or deliverance.
Utter falsehood, no evidence.
We get one life, make what you want to make out of it.

 

[Trailblazer]

Yes, some Christians believe Jesus will return

Since you are a former Christian, what Bible verses is this belief based upon?
There are no Bible verses that I have ever been able to find where Jesus says that he is going to return to earth.

Verses that say that we will see the Son of man coming in the clouds do not count as Jesus saying that he will return.

Who is the Son of man who will come in the clouds of heaven?

Mark 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man...

www.religiousforums.com

 

[Aupmanyav]

Debating if what was believed/written 2000 years ago is right or wrong?
Finding faults in Christian belief and not looking at your own beliefs that an uneducated 19th Century Iranian was a manifestation of some God.
Assertion without any credible evidence. Do Bahai organizations pay you for your advocacy?

 

[Sgt. Pepper]

Since you are a former Christian, what Bible verses is this belief based upon?
There are no Bible verses that I have ever been able to find where Jesus says that he is going to return to earth.

Verses that say that we will see the Son of man coming in the clouds do not count as Jesus saying that he will return.

Who is the Son of man who will come in the clouds of heaven?

Mark 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man...

www.religiousforums.com

I would say that John 14:1-3 and Revelation 3:11; 16:15; 22:12 are the closest to what you mentioned.

There are numerous other verses that describe Jesus' alleged return, but I think these descriptions can be construed as vague.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

When Do you think he’ll arrive? Where do you think he’ll show up?

It has already been offered in the OP, but it was 2 hours after sunset on 23 May 1844 when the Gate to the Dawn of the New Age, the "Day of God" announced to the first disciple that He was the One to prepare the way for the One whom God would make Manifest. Elijah had come in the Station of "I Am".

The whole world was made new at that very moment, a whole new creation founded.

Regards Tony