Subduction Zone
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Are you serious? What part of that nonsense do you think needs to be refuted?
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Senate Republicans oppose Reproductive Freedom for Women.
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Laniakea
Not of this world
If you would learn how to ask properly, I would be happy to educate you about that.
McBell
Admiral Obvious
Abortions have killed millions more lives than abortion?Bleh, standard anti-life BS. Abortions have killed MILLIONS more lives than abortion. From what I have read, we are talking about ~1% of such cases.
What Percentage of Abortions Are Medically Necessary? | HLI
What percentage of abortions are medically necessary? In the US, cases of true medical necessity are exceedingly rare or nonexistent...www.hli.org
Please correct me if I am wrong.
Murder is always wrong. IMHO
I agree that murder is wrong.
Now all you have to do is explain WTF murder has to do with abortion...
And if all you have is your personal feelings, you can save that crap for the choir.
Murder is an 'illegal killing'.
Abortion is legal. (for now, in some places)
So the whole abortion is murder mantra is nothing more than an appeal to emotion fallacy.
And if that is all you got, you are wasting your time.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
More false and nonsensical claims. Winning by default is rather boring at times.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Yep, Trump fascists hate NPR and also helping people in need. Instead, let the money go to the billionaires and multimillionaires as they certainly need it more.
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Laniakea
Not of this world
I guess that's why I am feeling bored right now. I was starting to think it had something to do with reading your posts.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Backwards as usual.
I didn't say otherwise. I said it's not your call. You only get an opinion, not the power to decide for others.
You've likely been conditioned thusly. Your opinion clusters in the Abrahamic religions. That's a pretty reliable indication that your outrage is manufactured by indoctrination, literally - their doctrine has been put in you.
Why? Why make a distinction between such cases and others? If you feel so strongly about the fetus, why aren't you willing to let pregnant mothers-to-be die as your god intended? I guess it's not murder to you to abort such a "child." Your definitions are arbitrary and complicated by religious beliefs.
Why do none of you care about people outside your religion? Why do you consider it appropriate that your church run their lives at all? Rhetorical question. We know. Still, it useful to keep reinforcing what a bad neighbor this church is.
My wife read me an anecdote about a couple living next to a yellow house that they insisted the neighbor get repainted. The neighbor refused and asked them to mind their own business, but they wouldn't. One week, while the owner of the yellow house was gone, the neighbors had it painted gray. That's what a bad neighbor looks like - meddling in your life and imposing their will on you. The offenders went so far as to sue for their expense repainting that house. That's how I view American Christianity - just like that neighbor. Get out of my life!
And I say the same to each of you here defending your church doing that. You're no friend of mine or your non-Christian neighbors. Au contraire. You're an enemy of my and their freedom. You find abortion shocking and disgusting. I just told you what I find shocking and disgusting.
Here's what your neighbors think:
Yes, and I never deliberately harmed anybody. Nor did I or would I perform abortions. But forcing an unwanted child on a mother is harming her, too, and I favor her needs over the those of the fetus. I support secularism and freedom, not religious restrictions. I will never support an idea because somebody else thinks their god wants them to hold it. And I will oppose the church for as long as it has power over nonconsenting citizens.
That's not what's being referred to by the phrase. It's not just about being able to reproduce. It's also about preventing a pregnancy from coming to term, just as freedom of religion also means freedom from religion.
Anything that facilitates or prevents reproduction has to do with reproduction including intercourse, abstinence, contraception, and abortion. And we can include things like prenatal vitamins and smoking or drinking while pregnant.
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Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I didn't switch. I just addressed your moaning here. If you moan about something then either you're just going to continue on moaning and whining over it, or you're going to do something about it hence my response.
Laniakea
Not of this world
Did you say something?
It also harms society by increasing crime.
Legalized abortion and crime effect - Wikipedia
Laniakea
Not of this world
And yet, even though there have been millions of abortions, mostly done in black neighborhoods (Margaret Sanger's dream), the crime rate (especially in black neighborhoods) has never been higher. Maybe we shouldn't be trying to abort our way out of criminality.It also harms society by increasing crime.
Legalized abortion and crime effect - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Oh, eugenics. Lovely. I suppose aborting babies suspected of having Down's is curing that, too.It also harms society by increasing crime.
Legalized abortion and crime effect - Wikipedia
It's not eugenics.Oh, eugenics. Lovely. I suppose aborting babies suspected of having Down's is curing that, too.
Merely that unwanted children suffer,
& are more likely to commit crimes.
Let's not ignore reality just because
it works against one's political agenda.
That is eugenics; the idea that certain classes of people shouldn't reproduce because of undesirable traits among them, such as criminality. The eugenics movement would often use such arguments as to why the birthrate of the poor and minorites should be kept down.
That is not eugenics, it is simply another one of the positive effects that occur when people have control over their own bodies and their own lives.Oh, eugenics. Lovely. I suppose aborting babies suspected of having Down's is curing that, too.
Or one of the negative effects when they don't.
You're the one assuming this means they shouldn't reproduce.
Recognizing this reality doesn't prevent anyone from reproducing.
Forcing women to give birth against their will has terrible consequences.
This should not be ignored.
It is, regardless of how you wish to gloss it to pretty it up. The abortion movement is a product of the eugenics movement in the first place.
And air travel is a product of the Nazis. So what?