Shiv Ling??

[Mr Cheese]

Thats exactly the problem,u dont have to dig deep in Hinduism/Buddhism to learn that God is both "immanent and transcendent".And that creator and is not different from creation.(but it is not the same too).Even a casual read is enough to learn this.

But this not the case with abrahamic concept of God.Time and again in history immanence have been frowned upon in Abrahamic religions.
Infact,I see Jesus was crucified just for a similar reason.He called himself GOD.Christianity unlike Judaism and Islam has quite open emphasis of immanence.

That said,Dharmic religions have a entirely different set of problems tough .



What is exactly what I am pointing out.

aha..well yes

and no

for example Judaism is wholly centered aroud here and now....
on immanance

its transcendance is there...
but Judaism is focused on life, living, sex, food, dance
here....and now

But I get your point, however I dont think ti takes much to see all facets
if one actually bothers to look, which many people within and without said "religions" simply do not do

...

Happy xmas anyway....

 

[Metempsychosis]

for example Judaism is wholly centered aroud here and now....
on immanance

its transcendance is there...
but Judaism is focused on life, living, sex, food, dance
here....and now

Yes,Judaism is not going to cause any problems in the future,since it is strictly non-proselyting religion.Immanence or transcendence they keep it to themselves.

Happy xmas anyway....

Same to you. I am not related to Christianity tough.

 

[nameless]

if you only look at the surface sure....

if one actally bothers to look a bit deeper this is not true

why truth is hidden soooo deep? only high intellectuals should see the truth?
why is the surface different from its deeper part? see how it caused people to go so worse !!!

 

[Riverwolf]

why truth is hidden soooo deep? only high intellectuals should see the truth?

Why is the abyssal plane so deep? Why should only scientists with lots of money go there and explore?

Why is the moon so high? Why must only astronauts with a ton of money go there?

why is the surface different from its deeper part? see how it caused people to go so worse !!!

Why? Who knows? It just is. It's surface readings only, and then stating that there is surely nothing more, that causes problems.

 

[nameless]

Why is the abyssal plane so deep? Why should only scientists with lots of money go there and explore?

Why is the moon so high? Why must only astronauts with a ton of money go there?

that is not what i actually meant, why one should dig so deep into islam to understand this? while some other faiths has the same as its basic principles.

Why? Who knows? It just is. It's surface readings only, and then stating that there is surely nothing more, that causes problems.

what makes them to say there is nothing more? who is responsible for this, believers or their scriptures?

 

[Riverwolf]

that is not what i actually meant, why one should dig so deep into islam to understand this? while some other faiths has the same as its basic principles.

I don't know. You just have to.

what makes them to say there is nothing more? who is responsible for this, believers or their scriptures?

The leaders.

 

[Mr Cheese]

why truth is hidden soooo deep? only high intellectuals should see the truth?
why is the surface different from its deeper part? see how it caused people to go so worse !!!

Well I like to think of things simply....
so lets use an easy analogy...

Millions of people eat Bigmacs every year
Very few eat truffles.

Both are food, but most are happy eating big macs
instead of going that extra mile to eat truffles.

,...

In the end the surface is no different to the depth
Yet it is making the "effort" to see that,
If you seek pearls, you must dive for them.

 

[Mr Cheese]

The leaders.

right, politics....

somethign even the Dali Lama is effected by....

 

[Riverwolf]

right, politics....

somethign even the Dali Lama is effected by....

Unfortunately...

Although I don't think he's been corrupted, yet, as I'm not sure if he acknowledges his power.

 

[ihsan_pno]

But,If I p*ss on quran ,will you like it?Do you worship Quran ?

You also burn embassies,when Mohammad is depicted in paper.SO you worship Mohammad right?

But then which carpet worshiper will accept this.

Zakir naik is funded by petro dollars to propogate this Islam in the world. He has ammased lot of wealth in Mumbai and runs schools for indoctination into wahabbhi islam. He is also close to taliban and his interviews in UAE he mentioned that in an Islamic society there is no room for other religions. There will be no freedom of religion if Islam is in a majority as islam is the only truth. In a minority community however they dont mind talking to other religions. His teacher was the foul mouthed Ahmed Deedat, who spent his whole life abusing other religions. He finally got a paralytic stroke and was bed ridden like a vegetable for 10 years before his death.

Brother,

Holy Quran is the book which is revealed by Allah, and we dont worship Quran, we are following the teachings of Quran, and we do not worship Quran,
Regarding ****.
Sorry to say this, If i **** on ur brother or sisters face will u leave me, no, does it mean that you worship ur brother or sister?????

 

[ihsan_pno]

Nobody, since Hindus aren't idol worshipers.

Besides, people don't stand on the Kabba anymore, do they? It doesn't matter whether or not it's stood upon; the point is that Muslims pray in its direction, and it's required that every Muslim make a pilgrimage to Mecca at least once in their lives. This practice is NO DIFFERENT than Hindus praying in the directions of murthis.

And BTW, I use pictures since I can't afford statuettes. It is okay to throw them away when I no longer need them.

It is not needed now to stand on Kaaba as we have speakers and other facilities to give Adhan (Call 4 prayer) before people use to stand and give Adhan for prayers,.\
U said u use Shiv Ling for direction, if so, which direction u use, i see many put shiv ling in west, east, north , south etcc.. in all the direction you worship, Brother, if you believe that Hindus never worship the idols why u r having it in ur temples and homes, just through it out

 

[ihsan_pno]

Brother,

Holy Quran is the book which is revealed by Allah, and we dont worship Quran, we are following the teachings of Quran, and we do not worship Quran,
Regarding ****.
Sorry to say this, If i **** on ur brother or sisters face will u leave me, no, does it mean that you worship ur brother or sister?????

Prophet Muhammed is just a man, but he came to the earth to teaching Islam and the oneness of God, we respect him, we do not worship him, If i depict ur mother or father's picture, will u remain silent???? Sorry to ask you. If so do u worship ur parents????

 

[Riverwolf]

It is not needed now to stand on Kaaba as we have speakers and other facilities to give Adhan (Call 4 prayer) before people use to stand and give Adhan for prayers,.\

I see. So, now you've given a reason for the original practice of standing on the Kabba. Doesn't change the fact that you're supposed to face a certain direction: and that is towards Mecca.

U said u use Shiv Ling for direction, if so, which direction u use, i see many put shiv ling in west, east, north , south etcc..

A poor peasant woman once came upon a temple. She was tired and sat down by a tree, with her feet pointing towards the temple. Now, the priests saw this, and were offended, for it is considered rude to point your feet at something. So they asked her to move her feet so that they would not point towards the temple. She responded: "Venerable Priest, please tell me where God is not, and I will gladly point my feet in that direction."

in all the direction you worship, Brother, if you believe that Hindus never worship the idols why u r having it in ur temples and homes, just through it out

I, personally, don't have a linga, and not all Hindus have one. It's a purely Saivite thing; Saivism is but one of the many Hindu religions. I told you: I use pictures that I printed out.

Murthis are in temples to help us focus in our prayers and meditations. Things that are in the Temple are sacred, but sacred does not mean worthy of worship itself. I agree with you: God alone is worthy of worship, and God is uncreated. However, I worship him in a different way than you do, and I believe that God is imminent as well as transcendent.

No religion has the monopoly on God.

 

[Riverwolf]

Prophet Muhammed is just a man, but he came to the earth to teaching Islam and the oneness of God, we respect him, we do not worship him, If i depict ur mother or father's picture, will u remain silent???? Sorry to ask you. If so do u worship ur parents????

What's that got to do with anything? If you depict my parents it wouldn't bother me. Why should it? The only time it would is if it were attempting to be offensive.

 

[Riverwolf]

You know what, if you're really honest about your search for knowledge on Hinduism, read this:

Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda

Click on "Address at The Parliament of Religions," and then "Paper on Hinduism."

A quick disclosure: this was written over a hundred years ago, so, in his occasional reference to Islam, he incorrectly refers to it as "Mohammedan." You'll have to forgive that.

 

[Metempsychosis]

Brother,
Holy Quran is the book which is revealed by Allah, and we dont worship Quran

Then will you allow me stand on Quran?
See this .

we are following the teachings of Quran,

You are not following teachings of Quran.Your God says in Quran ,that he is everywhere.Hence,it is there in Shiv ling also.

Quran [50:16] We verily created man and We know what his soul whispereth to him, and We are nearer to him than his jugular vein.

TO God belongs the East and the West, Wheresoever you look is the face of God.-The Holy Qur'an 2:115

Regarding ****.
Sorry to say this, If i **** on ur brother or sisters face will u leave me, no,

So,Quran is equal to your Brother's face.Are you alright?

does it mean that you worship ur brother or sister?????

Atleast I dont kiss stones,like you do,it is like kissing brother or sister..I forgot that you worship thin air.

If i depict ur mother or father's picture, will u remain silent???? Sorry to ask you.

I will remain silent.Whats wrong with depicting pictures?

If so do u worship ur parents????

Hindu god is everywhere,not like the God u worship.

Brother, if you believe that Hindus never worship the idols why u r having it in ur temples and homes, just through it out

Brother,Allah is a stupid name.You are limiting God,by using such a stupid name.Remember:If u tell that God is Allah,then God is limiting to that name.
If you want Hindus to throw the Shiv ling out,you please throw out this Allah.

 

[vishu121]

Shiv ling is symbol of fertility. never created always been found in ground. It is the same symbol called phallus in christianity. For ur suprise many churches were built on phallus symbols and still exist. During an restoration of the church at wimborne minster(uk) some time ago they found a massive big phallus symbol in its foundations. Suppose to b worshipped by pagans. Pagans use to worship the five elements, sun and moon and stars, very much hindu. Jesus was not born on 25th Dec but 15 sep what you christians are celebrating is nothing but winter solstace, sun worship. think about it. From 2012 going forward will be going backward and relearning.

 

[Metempsychosis]

Shiv ling is symbol of fertility. never created always been found in ground. It is the same symbol called phallus in christianity.

The questioner is a muslim.

 

[Charzhino]

A poor peasant woman once came upon a temple. She was tired and sat down by a tree, with her feet pointing towards the temple. Now, the priests saw this, and were offended, for it is considered rude to point your feet at something. So they asked her to move her feet so that they would not point towards the temple. She responded: "Venerable Priest, please tell me where God is not, and I will gladly point my feet in that direction."

Where is that story from, it is very similar to Guru Nanak's visit to Mecca.

 

[Riverwolf]

Where is that story from, it is very similar to Guru Nanak's visit to Mecca.

I have no idea where it's from. I read it somewhere a long time ago, and loved it so much that I never forgot it.