The Freedom of Religion in the 1st Amendment also includes Atheism.
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Should atheists offer something more than disbelief?
- Thread starter Straw Dog
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The Freedom of Religion in the 1st Amendment also includes Atheism.
outhouse
Atheistically
nope not a religion for lack of belief in a deity
Not a defined style, nope. But it is different then a theist in that respect and in OPs context. Its usable
I get what you're trying to claim with cries of persecution of your freedom of religion, but it's ludicrous. How is your capacity to practice no belief in a deity infringed by being talked at?
Yes, I do believe we should develop a deeper reverence for the Universe. What's wrong with having an opinion? Your opinion is that we shouldn't. If you require a completely proven set of facts for every single one of your beliefs and actions then you wouldn't be able to function in society. Naturalism isn't proven. Physicalism isn't proven. Evolution isn't totally proven. We are able to support our opinions with facts.
Naturalistic spirituality would be useful for expanding ecological consciousness. This is a logical statement if you understand the words. Many experts in psychology and ecology agree with me on this. This is just our opinion though, but you need useful opinions to survive and thrive in the world.
But you just said atheist lifestyle. What do you mean?
outhouse
Atheistically
you mean why dont I like someone telling what I should believe in, when I make it perfectly clear I dont?
Are you in some danger of spontaneously believing it?
I agree it also involves freedom from religion. That means the right to not be religious. What does it have anything to do with what I'm saying? You're promoting atheism, or sorry I mean you're not promoting atheism by being an atheist and arguing atheistic arguments... ? I think :sarcastic.
Proof is required. What's wrong with the opinion that we shouldn't?
In what way?
I agree. But there is proof for reality. Whatever is proven or at least proven enough such as Evolution, then I will accept.
Why do I need beliefs to survive the world? I can live as a pessimist, it actually just makes me fear death a little less and feel pain a little less... I think pessimism could be a good thing.
In a way I'm atheist... But in no way supporting it, neither am I trying to destroy your faith, I'm just trying to "sharpen the stick"... In other words, narrow it down to facts.
Then leave. If you cannot imagine any possible evidence or reason that might cause you to change your mind on your opinions then debate is completely pointless. You're just here arguing for the sake of argument and claiming persecution when nothing is being forced on you. I have a right to think atheism, by itself, is limited in benefiting social and ecological progress. You haven't shown me any reason to think otherwise.
I think he is arguing for the sake of helping other people answering this question.
This is a debate thread after all, what is wrong with arguing for the sake of arguing? I think it will narrow things down to size.
Which question?
Should atheists offer something more than disbelief?
If you want to be a nihilist, that's fine I guess. Positive psychologists have clearly demonstrated though that optimism is superior and has no negative effects. I don't have definitive physical proof, but neither do you for most of your opinions. Do you have no political views? Do you have no opinions on other religions? I've already given links to expert opinions in the fields of psychology and ecology. If you don't even trust expert opinions, then progress is impossible. This thread was aimed at atheists who actually want to find ways to make the world a better way. If you don't care either way, then that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. You just haven't given me any reason not to promote naturalistic spirituality. The Universe doesn't just lend itself to pessimism nor is a pessimistic worldview more realistic in any way, it's all just human interpretation. I'm just saying we might as well interpret things in the best possible light without conflicting with scientific evidence.
outhouse
Atheistically
your the one condemning it, why dont you tell me
They already have. Spinoza, Neitzsche...
What? When did I say atheist lifestyle? Stop trying to turn this around on me. I said that atheism, by itself, is limited in its beneficial capacity towards society. It does nothing to aid social or ecological progress. You seem to have taken atheism "lack of belief in deities" and turned it into some kind of across the board description for who you are and how you live your life. How am I condemning the atheist lifestyle when I don't even understand what it is? Or how am I persecuting you for not practicing spirituality?
Oh boy, your dug in deep now. Is this cannabis talking?