Should Believers Avoid and Fear Athiest?

[rasor]

Nice try. Agnostics are the only group that adhere to science when deciding their beliefs.

Think about it. Most Atheists have had a bad experience with religion and became turned off by it. Now they stick their head in the sand and claim it all does not exist.

Neither side can prove anything to the other because lack of proof on one side is not proof positive for the other side.

"Agnostics are the etc."Not true,it depends on you definition of an "atheist" I am an atheist because "I have a lack of belief" not because "I disbelieve". I have a lack of belief because there is no evidence to believe,just as there's no evidence to believe in the celestrial teapot of Bertrand Russels.

"Nice try etc"
Please read what I sad again"
Wrong,atheists do not use faith as a basis for their lack of belief in a god,only logic and reason.

"Most atheists have had etc"
Presumably you have some evidence of this assertion ? Though it can assumed that a lot of atheists have had some indoctrination as a child, in religion.

"Neither side etc"
Most atheists are not trying to prove there's no god.If they are trying to prove anything its the fact that there's no proof/evidence of the existance of any of the 2500 gods man has worshipped in the last 4000 years.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

I did not summarize God as a creator here, but I accept that idea.

Then maybe I misunderstood when you referenced God and the Holy Spirit in a previous post (Post 35).

I do not agree that initial understanding is taught.

Most people exeperience their god from family tradition. There were and probably still are tribes of people out there who did not or do not have any understanding of your god. Some people who are aware of your god were taught this from missionaries who came to them.

If the way of thinking depends on being taught, how did we ever learn our first fact, like mother, solidarity, spacial relations, etc. Does the fact that you know these things from birth represent an iota of proof to you?

Vice versa??? How does it prove that a god was responsible? It doesn't. I think Zeus might have been responsible or even the flying spaghetti monster. Can you prove they weren't?

You are one of those classic theist who believe (Because I can't understand it a god must have made it all possible)......(Post 35)

(Post 35)
I believe man's ability to reason and use logic comes from the Holy Spirit. How else could our ability to reason be possible? How is the concept of God not logical?

If that's how you feel (believe) then that is fine but why should we be held to the same standards?

 

[Darkness]

Yes, you should fear us. We all secretly worship the Devil and want to sacrifice your children to him.

 

[Escéptico]

Yes, you should fear us. We all secretly worship the Devil and want to sacrifice your children to him.

Thanks, amigo. All that work intended to lull the believers into a false sense of security, down the drain.

 

[Father Heathen]

I believe the problem is, you believe you have freedom from religion, which you don't.

And how did you manage to come up with that crock of crap? Read up, son.

 

[Father Heathen]

Nice try. Agnostics are the only group that adhere to science when deciding their beliefs.

Think about it. Most Atheists have had a bad experience with religion and became turned off by it. Now they stick their head in the sand and claim it all does not exist.

Neither side can prove anything to the other because lack of proof on one side is not proof positive for the other side.

So does that also apply to everyone who happens to disbelieve in anything at all? If I claimed I could levitate and shoot lighting from my eyes, would you believe me? Of course you wouldn't because it would be improbable. Now would your doubt make you an unscientific fool?

 

[gnostic]

Another reason is, Christians are a minority on the moderation staff.

Population wise, the Christians far exceed that of atheists and agnostics put together, in the US. Even in the UK where the number of non-theistic people exceed those in the US, non-theistic groups are still the minority. It is the same as in Australia, New Zealand and Canada. Christians are the majority and non-theists are the minority.

When was the last time an atheist became a president?

Of course, you may throw that Communist Chinese and Russians have more atheists than Christians, but how many Chinese and Russians are in this forum?

In the US, there are more Christians in prisons than atheists. You would think that Christians being aware of sins and morals would think twice before breaking the laws, but the reality says otherwise. And there are far more Christians who own the guns than their atheist or agnostic counterparts.

 

[Reverend Rick]

And how did you manage to come up with that crock of crap? Read up, son.

Unless you are in your late 80's I am too old to be your son. Secondly, I read your article and you do not have a right to be sheltered from people practicing religion.

Case in point, If I start preaching in the park and it annoys you, I will not be required to leave. I have freedom OF religion. You don't have freedom FROM religion. :sorry1:

 

[Reverend Rick]

Population wise, the Christians far exceed that of atheists and agnostics put together, in the US. Even in the UK where the number of non-theistic people exceed those in the US, non-theistic groups are still the minority. It is the same as in Australia, New Zealand and Canada. Christians are the majority and non-theists are the minority.

When was the last time an atheist became a president?

Of course, you may throw that Communist Chinese and Russians have more atheists than Christians, but how many Chinese and Russians are in this forum?

In the US, there are more Christians in prisons than atheists. You would think that Christians being aware of sins and morals would think twice before breaking the laws, but the reality says otherwise. And there are far more Christians who own the guns than their atheist or agnostic counterparts.

What does that have to do with RF moderation staff?

 

[Reverend Rick]

So does that also apply to everyone who happens to disbelieve in anything at all? If I claimed I could levitate and shoot lighting from my eyes, would you believe me? Of course you wouldn't because it would be improbable. Now would your doubt make you an unscientific fool?

Too many people who claim to be Atheist are really Agnostic and don't realize it.

 

[Magic Man]

Too many people who claim to be Atheist are really Agnostic and don't realize it.

And too many people who claim to be Christian are agnostic and don't realize it. What's your point?

 

[Father Heathen]

Unless you are in your late 80's I am too old to be your son. Secondly, I read your article and you do not have a right to be sheltered from people practicing religion.

Case in point, If I start preaching in the park and it annoys you, I will not be required to leave. I have freedom OF religion. You don't have freedom FROM religion. :sorry1:

Want to preach in a park? Go for it. Seeing and hearing it doesn't bother me. I couldn't care less if people worship and practice their faith openly. What I do have a problem with is when people try to forcefully impose their beliefs on others and threaten, harass or harm someone for not repenting and converting.

 

[Father Heathen]

Too many people who claim to be Atheist are really Agnostic and don't realize it.

I think the existence of God is possible, but improbable, so I don't believe such a thing exists. It is also possible that I could be The Second Coming who's memory of such is suppressed until the time is right for me to awaken and claim my throne. Possible? Sure. Probable? I wouldn't bet on those odds. Of course, if you want to worship me just to be on the safe side, that's cool.

 

[Magic Man]

I think the existence of God is possible, but improbable, so I don't believe such a thing exists. It is also possible that I could be The Second Coming who's memory of such is suppressed until the time is right for me to awaken and claim my throne. Possible? Sure. Probable? I wouldn't bet on those odds. Of course, if you want to worship me just to be on the safe side, that's cool.

No, see the main thing is that he has to "downgrade" us by making us agnostics. Everyone who is honest with themselves is an agnostic at least a little. All Christians, Atheists, Muslims, etc. who are honest believe there is some chance they're wrong. So, by his logic everyone should just call themselves agnostics and be done with it. (Well, all exceot those who are lying to themselves)

 

[Don Penguinoini]

I am not afraid to debate an athiest, they are never right.

 

[Father Heathen]

I always thought of "agnostic" as uncertain or undecided. I'm fairly certain and decided.

 

[Magic Man]

I am not afraid to debate an athiest, they are never right.

Oh, yeah? What if I say that you are right about that? Then what?

 

[Father Heathen]

I am not afraid to debate an athiest, they are never right.

I'm an atheist, and I say the world is a sphere. Ah, ha! Gotcha.

 

[Magic Man]

I always thought of "agnostic" as uncertain or undecided. I'm fairly certain and decided.

Yes, I think that is the line. But people like Rick will try to stress the doubt, no matter how little there is, held by an atheist about their own beliefs, just to make them seem less credible. "OH. you're not really an atheist. You;re just an agnostic. You can't disprove God's existence, so you must be agnostic." While ignoring the fact that they too can' tprove their point, and in the end can't be completely sure of their position either. but it makes them feel better to "degrade" our stance.

 

[Father Heathen]

Yes, I think that is the line. But people like Rick will try to stress the doubt, no matter how little there is, held by an atheist about their own beliefs, just to make them seem less credible. "OH. you're not really an atheist. You;re just an agnostic. You can't disprove God's existence, so you must be agnostic." While ignoring the fact that they too can' tprove their point, and in the end can't be completely sure of their position either. but it makes them feel better to "degrade" our stance.

I cannot disprove leprechauns, so I guess that would make me a fool not to chase after rainbows for the pot of gold just to be on the safe side.