Should Believers Avoid and Fear Athiest?

[Magic Man]

Being a Christian, that is as open minded a comment as I can make sticking to absolute logic and reason. I doubt any Atheists will post on here that there is a chance they might be wrong about this.

I take it you've decided to ignore me and all of the other atheists who have clearly stated that we could be wrong? I have said in no uncertain terms that there is the possibilibty that God exists. It's extremely unlikely, in fact, so unlikely that I don't consider it worth my time to consider in my ever day life. I assume you don't believe in leprechauns. If that is the case, do you at least admit that they could possibly exist? Is it worth your time to worry about it?

The difference between Christians and Atheists is, one is going to be more upset about this if they are wrong than the other.

Actually, I don't think Christians will be that upset at all. By the time they are proved wrong, they won't even know it, as they will be dead. (which is the only time any of this can be proven.) I assume you meant Christians would be more upset, right?

 

[Escéptico]

I doubt any Atheists will post on here that there is a chance they might be wrong about this.

I'm willing to admit the possibility that I'm wrong.

But I don't want to seem disingenuous. I'm not sure the concept of God is nearly as coherent or intelligible as a round Earth. The word 'God' seems to get applied to a wide variety of speculative beings, forces, and metaphysical constructs. As a result, I'm not positive what would constitute proof of God's existence.

The difference between Christians and Atheists is, one is going to be more upset about this if they are wrong than the other.

So is your reasoning about the existence of God really as coldly rational as you claim, or is it possible you're letting fear compromise your objectivity?

 

[gnomon]

I believe we have personalised this thread way to much. If you discredit the poster, you win the debate?

I believe the true scientist would be agnostic. The atheist and the theist both utilise faith in their belief, which is unscientific. The lack of proof positive is not absolute proof now is it?

Many times I have heard Christians called, "flat earthers". I believe this is an interesting argument. Just for a moment lets consider this a valid example.

The Atheist of the times would employ their logic that because we cannot prove the world is round, it therefore must be flat. Their belief that the world was flat was flawed. An agnostic would have said, I don't know for sure the world is flat, but will be glad to see evidence to the contrary and adjust my thoughts accordingly.

One thing is for certain. Either the Christian or the Atheist is wrong. For the time being, neither can provide proof positive that either side is right.

Being a Christian, that is as open minded a comment as I can make sticking to absolute logic and reason. I doubt any Atheists will post on here that there is a chance they might be wrong about this.

The difference between Christians and Atheists is, one is going to be more upset about this if they are wrong than the other.

Actually, that would be the difference between some Christians and everybody els (including many who call themselves Christian).

Anyway, I've never heard this "flat earther" statement. Sounds derogatory towards Christians and bears no relation to actual history.

But I just had to pipe in to once again remind......I hold no faith in my non-belief. Many of the other atheists here might admit that they could be wrong. I would ask you wrong about what? Your specific concept of deity. There are thousands out there. Most of them are not compatible. Which one would I admit to possibly being wrong about. All of them. That's irrational.

 

[blackout]

Some of my very best
most wonderful and amazing friends
are athiests.

and oddly enough...
they "believe" in most of the same things I do.

After all everybody "believes" in stuff.

 

[Reverend Rick]

Actually, I don't think Christians will be that upset at all. By the time they are proved wrong, they won't even know it, as they will be dead. (which is the only time any of this can be proven.) I assume you meant Christians would be more upset, right?

If I am dead, how will I be able to be upset if I am wrong? I meant Atheists will be quite upset about this.

 

[Magic Man]

If I am dead, how will I be able to be upset if I am wrong? I meant Atheists will be quite upset about this.

I know you did, but if I'm up in heaven instead of not existing, I'll be pretty darn happy actually. And that first part was what I said. You won't be upset, but I know for a fact that most atheists won't be upset when proven wrong, so I had to logically conclude you meant the Christians would be more upset. If not B, then A.

Do you not have anything to say about the two atheists who came on and admitted the possibility of their incorrectness after you flat out said no one would?

 

[Nanda]

I know you did, but if I'm up in heaven instead of not existing, I'll be pretty darn happy actually. And that first part was what I said. You won't be upset, but I know for a fact that most atheists won't be upset when proven wrong, so I had to logically conclude you meant the Christians would be more upset. If not B, then A.

Do you not have anything to say about the two atheists who came on and admitted the possibility of their incorrectness after you flat out said no one would?

I think Rick's saying we wouldn't be in heaven, having rejected the notion of god, and all.

As for atheists not admitting they could be wrong, that's just silly. I do it all the time. I did it in another thread not 24 hours ago.

 

[Magic Man]

I think Rick's saying we wouldn't be in heaven, having rejected the notion of god, and all.

As for atheists not admitting they could be wrong, that's just silly. I do it all the time. I did it in another thread not 24 hours ago.

Ah, then he's just sadistic. Even not believing in Christianity, I'd like to believe that, if there is an afterlife, everyone gets a chance to be happy there, and doesn't have to suffer.

 

[Nanda]

Ah, then he's just sadistic. Even not believing in Christianity, I'd like to believe that, if there is an afterlife, everyone gets a chance to be happy there, and doesn't have to suffer.

Me, I'll never get into heaven. Because if I did, the first thing I'd do is seek out the good Reverend so that I could point and laugh. "Ha-ha! I'm in heaven!" I think that sort of behavior would get you booted.

(I kid, Rick. You know you'd be glad to see me in heaven. :flirt: Plus you could just gloat right back. "Ha-ha! I was right about heaven!")

 

[logician]

Me, I'll never get into heaven. Because if I did, the first thing I'd do is seek out the good Reverend so that I could point and laugh. "Ha-ha! I'm in heaven!" I think that sort of behavior would get you booted.

(I kid, Rick. You know you'd be glad to see me in heaven. :flirt: Plus you could just gloat right back. "Ha-ha! I was right about heaven!")

Even if we assumed just for the sake of argument that we get into some kind of still undefined "heaven", getting there as what is the question. Getting there as we are with an 80 year old mind, a 10 year old mind, a 30 year old mind? I think heaven could be quite a sad place if you ended up there alone with none of your friends or family around. "Heaven" seems to nondescript a place for me to even want such a thing to exist.

 

[Father Heathen]

The difference between Christians and Atheists is, one is going to be more upset about this if they are wrong than the other.

I'm sorry, but did we not already debunk Pascal's wager in another thread? You assume that if there is a god, that he is the Cristian variation and that he'll toss people into hell for not being Christian. What if God is in fact the Islamic variation, or Hindu, or Zeus or Thor? Then you and I will be burning in hell together (or be reincarnated as worms together). If god is real, it only proves atheists wrong. It doesn't prove anyone right. Many, if not all, of the religions could very well be wrong too. If a god exists, why would that guarantee the existence of a hell? It could very well have been a made up human concept falsely attributed to God. People have been known to do stuff like that, haven't they? If God is real he would be an infinitely intelligent being. He wouldn't condemn atheists, but rather he would be understanding and accepting of our previous position and give us all high-fives. Why makes you think he'd be pleased with you?

And as an atheist, I admit I could be wrong. It's possible that there is a god (just like it's possible that *I* am god), I just find it improbable.

Edit: fixed a few things.

 

[Father Heathen]

Ah, then he's just sadistic. Even not believing in Christianity, I'd like to believe that, if there is an afterlife, everyone gets a chance to be happy there, and doesn't have to suffer.

"I must admit that some times I get a chuckle when I fantasize about atheists finally realizing that an afterlife exists. Seeing them squirm like a worm on the hook and the realization that religious people where not kooks after all. I see them rationalising with God like they are his equal right before they get a glimpse of their eternal future." -Ricky

What a sick kink, eh?

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Rick I just mentioned in post 56 that I could be wrong about something. Athiest have no problem being proven wrong. We have no problem admitting that we could be or are wrong. Here's the question...can or will you admitt that all that you believe could be wrong?

You have believed strongly in your heart and mind that your faith and your god is the absolute all that is and there are no other gods but I'm quite sure other theist will disagre with you. Both sides are armed with their scriptures, rituals and traditions but neither side can say for sure they are correct. Both sides have their faith but does that mean your faith outweighs theirs?

Athiest take no sides. We don't care. I respect what you feel and what you believe and you have every right to that. Since neither of you can prove or disprove the existance of your deities what importance is it to us?

 

[DallasApple]

I just believe there is a God.. I believe I should follow Jesus..

I will admit I could be "wrong" about God..I could just be an organism with no soul...that once my flesh dies I'm just the same as a dead chicken or a slide of beef..that rots..or if Im cremated at least I have that much dignity after death that I wont stink and magots will eat my body..

I "know" there is a God..But Im not stupid enough to not wonder if Im wrong.(what would that mean I need to do now).That maybe I want there to be a God because no God is a scary thought.And I have "felt Him'"...Which makes me a kook..Fine Im a big fat kook..

Now...the Kook hopes to not let her belief in God hurt....another soul...That I would be a better person in the limited time I have as a piece of flesh..

If I am wrong and there is no God...It wont hurt me..I'll be gone when I die..POOF no more me..So while Im here believing that I will go on I should hurt no one.(in the name of God)

Blessings

Dallas

 

[Dirty Penguin]

I just believe there is a God.. I believe I should follow Jesus..

I will admit I could be "wrong" about God..I could just be an organism with no soul...that once my flesh dies I'm just the same as a dead chicken or a slide of beef..that rots..or if Im cremated at least I have that much dignity after death that I wont stink and magots will eat my body..

I "know" there is a God..But Im not stupid enough to not wonder if Im wrong.(what would that mean I need t do now).That maybe I want there to be a God because no God is a scary thought.And I have "felt Him'"...Which makes me a kook..Fine Im a big fat kook..

Now...the Kook hopes to not let her belief in God hurt....another soul...That I would be a better person in the limited time I have as a piece of flesh..

If I am wrong and there is no God...It wont hurt me..I'll be gone when I die..POOF no more me..So while Im here believing that I will go on I should hurt no one.

Blessings

Dallas

And you do what you do. There's nothing wrong with that. This is what we have been trying to relay to GadFly. No, Athiest should not be feared.

Theist have enough to worry about coming from other theist.....

 

[DallasApple]

And you do what you do. There's nothing wrong with that.

Thanks...Im glad you approve..

Blessings

Dallas

 

[Reverend Rick]

Time for a joke. An atheist is greeted by st. peter in heaven. He gives the new arrival the tour of heaven. In this room we have the catholics and in this room we have the pagans. The new arrival says, where is Reverend Rick? St. Peter replies, he is down the hall on the end with his door shut.

Why is that, says the new arrival? St. Peter answers, Rick thinks he is up here all alone.

 

[Willamena]

Time for a joke. An atheist is greeted by st. peter in heaven. He gives the new arrival the tour of heaven. In this room we have the catholics and in this room we have the pagans. The new arrival says, where is Reverend Rick? St. Peter replies, he is down the hall on the end with his door shut.

Why is that, says the new arrival? St. Peter answers, Rick thinks he is up here all alone.

*polite applause*

 

[Willamena]

Consider the influence an (sic) theistic opinion might have on a religious person or likewise. Are you comfortable in defending your position?

Defending my postiion as a theist? or as an atheist? or as a nontheist? Not that it matters --it would always be "just me". I am comfortable defending every position.

What tools do believers have to defend the concept of God compared to the atheist's tools to defend his reasons for not believing in God?

Believers have the same tools: intellect, reasoning and philosophy.

 

[Willamena]

Tools people have, are these the same for both atheist and Christian? I say no. The believer has a better premise for his logic and the atheist has no premise for believing in anything.

On what premise do you support this assertion?