Gadfly......
What is it that you really want to know from us?
The definition Father Heathen gave was spot on. It is what it is. He wasn't responsible for the definition. You seem to challenge what we perceive as logic. The same logical process we ALL use....you use (you use in the practical real world sense). There are plenty of doctors, scientist etc. who are theist but use the same methods we have been sharing with you.
When one catches a cold the only thing they can think about is getting rid of the cold. They go to the store walking the isles reading bottles of medicine hoping it will match their symptoms. They find one, read the ingredients and the directions and they buy it. From start to finish (the store shelf) that medicine went through the scientific process. The sick person used the scientific process selecting the proper medicine for his or her symptoms. We don't just let people create medicine then bring it to market. It goes through extensive testing and scrutany and complience checks before it can be sold.
The methods in starting a car, (Stick or manual) are well known because they have been tested and are known to work. The next time you are in a car use the scientific method and change it up by not stepping on the break and turning the key but try to put the car in gear. You will notice it won't work. The "logical" way to do this effectively is to do what is tried and true.
Here's an easier one. How can I find out what water is made of? Do I have faith and hope a god will reveal it to me? Do I pray and hope a spirit will guide me to the answers I seek? Can it be found in your bible? OR would you suggest I try the "logical" route.......?
You are welcome DreGod07 to join the conversation. You are even welcome to take sides with the two antagonist I have attracted. But please do not make insinuations about my person or call me names. I do not call names nor do I deliberately insult another person. In fact, it grieves me when somebody perceives I have been too harsh with them. I am first to apologize.
In keeping with my thread which ask the question, should believers avoid or fear atheist, I wanted some intense comments from both believers and atheist. It was my purpose from the beginning to see how atheist responded when the premises of their faith were intellectually challenged. The thread question was intellectually challenging by its very nature.
Look through the post of threads and count how many times questions are asked so that the believer or Christian is insulted by the nature of the question.
What? Are Christians Just Stupid or Something? Crazy religous people. Is God evil because He causes death? Non-Christians ONLY Poll: Are Christian Apologetics Alive or Dead?
There are many other threads besides these today that implies insults to believers. I have noticed how good of sports the believers are as they respond to these insulting accusations of atheist and agnostics. Believers are called stupid, uneducated, hypocrites, self righteous, ignorant, chided for believing the Bible, etc. The first time they protest or challenge the atheist, he takes a fit in protest that anybody would challenge his beliefs. Some go so far as to order you off their threads. That is what they think of the freedom of speech. Like the communist, you have freedom of speech as long as you praise them. To hell with that.
What do you want from us, you ask. I want atheist to respond like gentlemen and ladies when their premises are challenged and not twist every thing we say. When you do spin things to fit your opinion, don't get so angry when it is pointed out that you put a spin on our opinion. Father Heathen reads well from a dictionary definitions of logic but he does not know the difference between Aristotelian logic and Hegelian logic in spite of his dictionary skills. Since the manner in which you join this conversation, it is fair for me to say that you appear to be ignorant of the differences between the two types of logic. Am I the only person on this thread that has studied logic in college or schools of higher learning. The two concepts of logic that I tell you of are not deep hidden information reserved only for a secrete few. I first learned about these two types of logic in high school.
When it is pointed out that communist and atheist use Hegelian logic. atheist go nuts. Why? Because they know that not only believers reject Hegelian logic but the entire Western Civilization has rejected this type of logic. In spite all your efforts to make me understand the logical process used in science, medicine, art and engineering, etc. you miss the point. None of these sciences or arts us the Hegelian method as the atheist and communist do.
It is your lack of knowledge about logic and your desire to make me look stupid that motivates you to join sides with these detractors and communist thinkers. You can call yourself a common sense religious person but I prefer that you use a little respect for the opinion of the 100's of millions of people who make up the Western Civilization, who do accept Aristotelean logic. No way do I use the same logic that they use. If you have no respect for me because I have pointed out errors in your personal philosophies, have respect for the standards this forum attempts to hold. Do I fear atheist? No! I am sure that most atheist are like myself. They seek truth. You fellows may be the exception to this rule.
