Should Christians Be Keeping the Sabbath?

[Jayhawker Soule]

See also The History and Theology of The New Testament Writings by Udo Schnelle, pp. 366-367.

 

[psychoslice]

Of course Christ kept the sabbath, he was a Jew, required to do so. Second, He kept the law perfectly, as he said, fulfilling the law.
A Roman centurion, an officer over 80 to 100 men, worked every day, with days off rare. Christ interacted with A centurion of the Italian regiment, a Gentile. This man was called a true man of God, and Christ said he had greater faith than all of Israel. This man could not have been a sabbath keeper, he was on active duty. Christ never said anything to him about keeping the sabbath. Ditto for the centurion Cornelius who interacted with Paul, who was a Godly man. Paul references other Roman army believers, who could not have been sabbath keepers. They could not have been any day keepers. They weren';t required to be.

Sorry it sounds like an excuse to me.

 

[psychoslice]

If Christians are to keep the Sabbath, what day of the week should it be kept and why?

The Seventh day, which is Saturday, easy.

 

[rstrats]

psychohslice,
re: "The Seventh day, which is Saturday, easy."

Except in much of Europe and other parts of the world where their calendars label the seventh day Sunday.

 

[shmogie]

Sorry it sounds like an excuse to me.

A reason is not an excuse, a reason is founded on substantive fact. More fact, at the time of the adoption of the international date line, parts of the world had their calendars changed, two days, with the same name, in a row, what day is now the sabbath ? At the dateline, 24 hours is gained, or lost by crossing , the line,, where does the sabbath go ? Does God require you to keep the sequence of days mandated by a printed calendar that does not reflect the original sequence of days, or the original sequence of days ? Legalism not required of the Christian, simply salvation by works, nothing more.

 

[metis]

A reason is not an excuse, a reason is founded on substantive fact. More fact, at the time of the adoption of the international date line, parts of the world had their calendars changed, two days, with the same name, in a row, what day is now the sabbath ? At the dateline, 24 hours is gained, or lost by crossing , the line,, where does the sabbath go ? Does God require you to keep the sequence of days mandated by a printed calendar that does not reflect the original sequence of days, or the original sequence of days ? Legalism not required of the Christian, simply salvation by works, nothing more.

So, do you honestly think that Jews all over the world suddenly had a massive brain fart and forgot how to count to seven?

 

[rstrats]

metis,


re: "So, do you honestly think that Jews all over the world suddenly had a massive brain fart and forgot how to count to seven?"



A person would have to think something like that if they had documentation to show that the 7 day weekly cycle had been interrupted sometime between the first century and now.

 

[shmogie]

So, do you honestly think that Jews all over the world suddenly had a massive brain fart and forgot how to count to seven?

I am not discussing Jews, I am discussing Christians. My religious background is the Seventh Day Adventist church. I was a member and teacher for many years. I am no longer. For them, the rule isn't one day in seven, for them the rule is the weekly rotation of days has never changed, and saturday, following the weekly rotation back to creation, is still the original sabbath. my point is that this is not true. As to the Jews, what they believe on this matter, don't know, don't care. Gentile Christians are not required to keep the sabbath.

 

[metis]

I am not discussing Jews, I am discussing Christians. My religious background is the Seventh Day Adventist church. I was a member and teacher for many years. I am no longer. For them, the rule isn't one day in seven, for them the rule is the weekly rotation of days has never changed, and saturday, following the weekly rotation back to creation, is still the original sabbath. my point is that this is not true. As to the Jews, what they believe on this matter, don't know, don't care. Gentile Christians are not required to keep the sabbath.

The Sabbath is a day of the week ("Shabbat"), and it has been followed by us going back to the time when written records for us was first being written by us on the Law itself. With the current calendar, it goes from Friday evening sundown to Saturday evening sundown.

I point this out because not only is Sunday not the Sabbath, but I also agree with you in that non-Jews are not required to follow it, and most don't. For those gentiles who may want to follow it, that's their choice.

 

[shmogie]

The Sabbath is a day of the week ("Shabbat"), and it has been followed by us going back to the time when written records for us was first being written by us on the Law itself. With the current calendar, it goes from Friday evening sundown to Saturday evening sundown.

I point this out because not only is Sunday not the Sabbath, but I also agree w0)ith you in that non-Jews are not required to follow it, and most don't. For those gentiles who may want to follow it, that's their choice.

I agree totally. Paul tells us that one man may keep a special day (sat or sun,) and another may keep no days, it is a free, choice of the conscience.
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[rstrats]

shmogle,


re: ". For them, the rule isn't one day in seven, for them the rule is the weekly rotation of days has never changed, and saturday, following the weekly rotation back to creation, is still the original sabbath. my point is that this is not true."



Assuming that the Messiah was keeping the correct Sabbath, what documentation do you have to show that the 7 day weekly cycle has been interrupted sometime between the first century and now?

 

[rstrats]

shmogie,
re: "Paul tells us that one man may keep a special day (sat or sun,)..."

I'm not aware of any scripture where Paul tells us that. What do you have in mind?

 

[shmogie]

shmogle,


re: ". For them, the rule isn't one day in seven, for them the rule is the weekly rotation of days has never changed, and saturday, following the weekly rotation back to creation, is still the original sabbath. my point is that this is not true."



Assuming that the Messiah was keeping the correct Sabbath, what documentation do you have to show that the 7 day weekly cycle has been interrupted sometime between the first century and now?

The switch from the Gregorian to the Julian calendar, Changing of days when the international dateline was adopted. The Phillipines and other pacific nations ha two saturdays in a row, the dateline itself, an arbitrary, man made line. You could cross and recross it and never have a sabbath, for months. The order of days on the dateline could not be what they were originally. The U.S. Naval observatory site details this quite well.

 

[shmogie]

The switch from the Gregorian to the Julian calendar, Changing of days when the international dateline was adopted. The Phillipines and other pacific nations ha two saturdays in a row, the dateline itself, an arbitrary, man made line. You could cross and recross it and never have a sabbath, for months. The order of days on the dateline could not be what they were originally. The U.S. Naval observatory site details this quite well.

Sorry, I forgot to respond to your her question. "One person esteems one day above another, another, esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord, and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it" Rom. 14,5-6, NKJV

 

[psychoslice]

psychohslice,
re: "The Seventh day, which is Saturday, easy."

Except in much of Europe and other parts of the world where their calendars label the seventh day Sunday.

Yea that's because they changed it, it doesn't mean its right, that is if you believe the bible to be literally true.

 

[psychoslice]

A reason is not an excuse, a reason is founded on substantive fact. More fact, at the time of the adoption of the international date line, parts of the world had their calendars changed, two days, with the same name, in a row, what day is now the sabbath ? At the dateline, 24 hours is gained, or lost by crossing , the line,, where does the sabbath go ? Does God require you to keep the sequence of days mandated by a printed calendar that does not reflect the original sequence of days, or the original sequence of days ? Legalism not required of the Christian, simply salvation by works, nothing more.

The Jews have been keep the Sabbath for a hell of a long time, so I think they would know more about than you, there are many excuses just because they don't follow the true Sabbath day, doesn't worshiping the Sun remind you of something ?.

 

[rstrats]

shmogle,


re: "The switch from the Gregorian to the Julian calendar, Changing of days when the international dateline was adopted."



I should have been more specific. Assuming that the Messiah was keeping the correct Sabbath, what documentation do you have to show that the 7 day weekly cycle observed in Jerusalem by the Messiah has been interrupted sometime between then and now?

 

[rstrats]

psychoslice,
re: "Yea that's because they changed it, it doesn't mean its right, that is if you believe the bible to be literally true."

Literally true about what?

 

[rstrats]

shmogle,


re: "Sorry, I forgot to respond to your her question...Rom, 14,5-6, NKJV"



The subject of the chapter from start to finish has to do with what people eat. Paul is writing about asceticism. Some in the church at Rome believed Christians should eat only vegetables. Paul calls these people "weak in the faith" (verses 1-2). The stronger in faith know they could also eat meat. Nothing in God's law prescribes vegetarianism. The stronger in faith knew they were free from non-biblical asceticism. A part of the controversy that had sprung up between the weak and the strong Christians was the esteeming of days. In Rome some people had the pagan idea that on certain days certain foods should or should not be eaten. In this whole chapter Paul was just showing that others should not be offended, particularly weak members who have not yet learned the truth about the proper Christian diet and that they should not be judged by the stronger in the faith. This passage has nothing to do with the Sabbath.

 

[rosends]

The question of the switch from Gregorian to Julian s a neat one, but I found the following claim, "In the Gregorian calendar reform of 1582, Thursday, October 4 was followed by Friday (not Monday), October 15" which would indicate that the calendar shift affected dates, not days and the 7 day-week cycle was unaffected.

1582 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia