Should christians ignore the OT?

[Peacewise]

"You love evil rather than good, falsehood rather than speaking the truth."

"A truthful witness gives honest testimony, but a false witness tells lies."

"For in his own eyes he flatters himself too much to detect or hate his sin."

 

[Noaidi]

Then there's the fact that Sunday is not the sabbath...

And the fact that non-Jews aren't obligated to keep the sabbath...

Thanks for your response.
My main concern was with the punishment administered to the man that picked up sticks. I felt that it was completely inappropriate. Under what jurisdiction was it administered?

Regarding the sabbath, yes it isn't, strictly speaking, a Sunday, but that's the day adopted by christians. However, whether it's a Saturday or a Sunday isn't the issue. The issue is the punishment meted out to those who break the sabbath. If non-Jews are not obliged to keep the sabbath, why do many christians get het up about those who break it?
I realise that you are Jewish, so perhaps my questions should be directed to Christians and why they keep what are essentially Jewish laws and commandments.

 

[Poisonshady313]

Thanks for your response.
My main concern was with the punishment administered to the man that picked up sticks. I felt that it was completely inappropriate. Under what jurisdiction was it administered?

When the children of Israel were in the desert, they found a man gathering wood on the Sabbath day.

Those who found him gathering wood presented him before Moses and Aaron and before the entire congregation.

They put him under guard, since it was not specified what was to be done to him.

The Lord said to Moses, The man shall be put to death; the entire congregation shall pelt him with stones outside the camp.

So the entire congregation took him outside the camp, and they pelted him to death with stones, as the Lord had commanded Moses.

 

[Noaidi]

When the children of Israel were in the desert, they found a man gathering wood on the Sabbath day.

Those who found him gathering wood presented him before Moses and Aaron and before the entire congregation.

They put him under guard, since it was not specified what was to be done to him.

The Lord said to Moses, The man shall be put to death; the entire congregation shall pelt him with stones outside the camp.

So the entire congregation took him outside the camp, and they pelted him to death with stones, as the Lord had commanded Moses.

Justified?

 

[Poisonshady313]

Justified?

If you believe that Moses was just a loony talking to the voices in his head, then no.

If you believe that the Creator of the Universe issued a sentence as punishment for the violation of His law regarding the Sabbath, then yes.

 

[Noaidi]

If you believe that Moses was just a loony talking to the voices in his head, then no.

If you believe that the Creator of the Universe issued a sentence as punishment for the violation of His law regarding the Sabbath, then yes.

I'll go with the first option, thanks.

 

[arimoff]

I'll go with the first option, thanks.

why even go with the first if it is all to you just a fairy tale?

 

[Noaidi]

why even go with the first if it is all to you just a fairy tale?

Because it implies that Moses, like many, hear voices and interpret the voices as commands from a 'higher being'. It is a real phenomenon, hence my choice.

 

[arimoff]

Because it implies that Moses, like many, hear voices and interpret the voices as commands from a 'higher being'. It is a real phenomenon, hence my choice.

But if Moses didn't exist how can he hear voices?

 

[Noaidi]

But if Moses didn't exist how can he hear voices?

There may well have been someone called Moses at that time who proclaimed to hear the voice of god. There may well have been someone called Jesus who claimed to heal the sick.
Mythologies develop around real people.

Alternatively, they are all fictional characters, in which case, within the context of the story, Moses heard voices and claimed they were from god.

My choice still stands.

 

[Poisonshady313]

There may well have been someone called Moses at that time who proclaimed to hear the voice of god. There may well have been someone called Jesus who claimed to heal the sick.
Mythologies develop around real people.

Alternatively, they are all fictional characters, in which case, within the context of the story, Moses heard voices and claimed they were from god.

My choice still stands.

If you go with your "there may well have been someone called Moses who proclaimed to hear the voice of god" theory, then at least it could be said that you were consistent in your thinking.

If you figure they are all fictional characters, then there's no reason to disqualify any of the text no matter how outrageous you believe it to be... which would mean saying "within the context of the story, Moses heard voices and claimed they were from god" is entirely arbitrary and meaningless. Nothing in the text suggests Moses was crazy or prone to hallucinations.... that's only something someone comes up with if they figure the story can't be true but is centered around an actual person.

 

[Mattithyah]

I'm not a Christian, I'm a House of Yahweh (even if that does sound funny to ya')...

The very definition of a Christian is one who must almost completely disregard the OT for either reference or study. A person goes to seminary, gets "ordained" as a minister and comes to your church to teach you Christian Theology, which is mostly based on Egyptian beliefs, and has almost nothing to do with Scripture. On the other hand, if you want to question what is true and what is not true, do some reading... check out The Two Babylons by Alexander Hislop and see how much of Christianity came from encient Egypt. Everything you have was adopted. The Catholic Church calls is baptized paganism. Even the name Christ came from paganism. It was a compromise between differing beliefs at the Council of Nicea. Any authoritative Lexicon can tell you that the Messiah's name is Yahshua, not Jesus or Christ. Jesus is the name of a female goddess and daughter of Zeus...

 

[Mattithyah]

If you study enough, you'll study yourself out of Christianity. I did. Study the Hebrew, translate to prove or disprove the English versions, and you'll find an almost infinitely overwhelming number of errors in what you already have.

Yahshua did perform a few miracles, but mostly He just gave instructions for cleaner, healthier living. If you study the Greek you'll find this to be true. He wore a rough linen tallit and kippah just like Moses. He ministered in the office of a Priest in the "sacred precincts"... which should be obvious without touching the manuscripts since no one but a Priest was allowed in there. Yahshua was from Galilee. You might call him an Okie, or any other derogatory term to classify Him and all the Disciples as backwards hillbillies. They talked funny. They didn't keep up with tradition, fads, or popular news of the times. They didn't attend the Circus Maximus for races or gladiator fights. They were outcasts. Yahweh specifically wanted to show the world that He can take the weakest link, and make it strong. Take the simple things and confound the wise.

Moses did 'hear voices' but the fact remains that He made some prophesies that have been fulfilled, and He himself fulfilled a few prophesies. I challenge you to even predict with 100% accuracy what the weather will do tomorrow Yahshua said, Yahweh can raise up these stones to for worship if we/you refuse.

 

[psychoslice]

We have moved a long way from the OT, so lets keep it that way, its strange how people cling to old scriptures believing they are the truth, people were so easily hoodwinked back then, but today its not so easy to hoodwink people, were just too smart now, well some of us are lol.