And Republicans dig deep into the gutter for their Presidential nominee.
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Should Donald Trump be Sentenced to Jail for 34 Felonies?
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Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Yes, but I did not argue based upon it, so no, you did not correct anyone. You are angry because your fouls smelling god is going to prison. That is apparent in all of your posts. You are the one reacting emotionally.
And what you just did is an example of grasping at straws.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Yes, it appears that Trump was using projection again when he talked about a drug test. If you have listened to Trump at all lately he goes off point and slurs his words quite often. There has been a big change from just four years ago. Perhaps he was or is the drug user.
Every accusation is a confession.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Like I said, jealousy rears its ugly head. Unless one is addicted one does not spend hours a day at those sites. Me, I am addicted to debate.
Do you know who he lied for and why? Do you know why he finally told the truth? I do.
And yes, he is an admitted liar. That puts him way above Trump already because Trump will not own up to his endless lies. He has shown himself to be incredibly honest and reliable once he left Trump.
If the charges were specified already in your debate then this is redundant. However, the charges were 34 Counts of Falsifying Business Records in the First Degree____ Penal Code..175.10
Sure Pogo my apologies for the occasional typo which is more of a lure really .. see how many fish so bereft of argument must resort to chasing typo's .. some kind of circular typo fallacy .. having no argument
Now did you come up with this "felony" crime for us .. and could you address the lack of due process in the 3rd world kangaroo show we just witnessed ?
McBell
Unbound
I wonder if asking you if you have forgotten to take your meds is a rule violation?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Sure Pogo my apologies for the occasional typo which is more of a lure really .. see how many fish so bereft of argument must resort to chasing typo's .. some kind of circular typo fallacy .. having no argument
Now did you come up with this "felony" crime for us .. and could you address the lack of due process in the 3rd world kangaroo show we just witnessed ?
Sorry, you never met the burden of proof on any of your claims. Fix that first then you can ask questions.
Pogo
Well-Known Member
My you/your was a typo, your bated/baited misreading was a lack of education.Sure Pogo my apologies for the occasional typo which is more of a lure really .. see how many fish so bereft of argument must resort to chasing typo's .. some kind of circular typo fallacy .. having no argument
Now did you come up with this "felony" crime for us .. and could you address the lack of due process in the 3rd world kangaroo show we just witnessed ?
As to lack of argument, that is yours as well as despite numerous requests you have been unable to present one and can only bleat that you must have done it in the past. (maybe you were dreaming)
As for due process, again, it is not I but you in your imaginary past that claimed to explain this purported lack. As to felony crime, in order to understand the elevation from misdemeanor I give you again the relevant NYS penal code as recorded just shy of 10 years ago.
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THIS ENTRY WAS PUBLISHED ON 2014-09-22
SECTION 175.10
Falsifying business records in the first degree
Penal (PEN) CHAPTER 40, PART 3, TITLE K, ARTICLE 175
§ 175.10 Falsifying business records in the first degree.
A person is guilty of falsifying business records in the first degree
when he commits the crime of falsifying business records in the second
degree, and when his intent to defraud includes an intent to commit
another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof.
Falsifying business records in the first degree is a class E felony.
Bolding mine so you don't have to read too many words to find it.
Hermit Philosopher
Selflessly here for you
Some things in life are pretty black-and- white, in my view.
If it is right to put someone else in prison for what he’s been charged with, then absolutely! In a democracy, laws shall apply equally to all citizens.
If he is not put in prison, nor should anyone else charged for such offences.
We Never Know
No Slack
You dont have this in there...
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INTENT TO DEFRAUD
As I previously explained, a person acts with intent to
defraud when his or her conscious objective or purpose is to do
so.
In order to prove an intent to defraud, the People need not
prove that the defendant acted with the intent to defraud any
particular person or entity. A general intent to defraud any person
or entity suffices.
Intent to defraud is also not constricted to an intent to
deprive another of property or money and can extend beyond
economic concerns.
INTENT TO COMMIT OR CONCEAL ANOTHER CRIME
For the crime of Falsifying Business Records in the First
Degree, the intent to defraud must include an intent to commit
another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof.
Under our law, although the People must prove an intent
to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission
thereof, they need not prove that the other crime was in fact
committed, aided, or concealed
Why are you still in the dark on this? It's public information. You have Internet access. I've posted the list twice myself. I understand that you don't approve of what happened to Trump. Most people in the world who are aware of the verdict do approve.
Is your problem that you don't consider the crimes felonies or that you don't think he did what he was convicted of? Or maybe you think that as a former president, he should be immune from criminal charges. Should he have been convicted of a misdemeanor in your estimation? Maybe you think that he should just have been given a walk.
The reason his crime of falsifying business records was deemed felonious as you have been told repeatedly is because of why he did it. If one is falsifying business records to conceal gambling debts from one's wife, for example, that is a misdemeanor. No other crime was committed or attempted. But the same act to cover up embezzlement, for example, is a felony separate from the embezzlement itself.
If Trump were merely trying to conceal his dalliance from his wife, that would be a misdemeanor, since adulterous sex with a porn star is not a crime. Pecker, who was a damning witness for Trump since he was sympathetic to Trump, explained that with Cohen's help, the three of them were trying (and succeeded) to rig the election.
I presume you're referring to the J6 committee investigation, report, and criminal referral here and not the recent felony convictions. It's your mind that holds kangaroo court. The J6 committee was doing its duty. It was bipartisan. Its purpose was to determine what happened on and around that fateful day. It did not target Trump specifically. If Trump had been uninvolved with the insurrection, there would have been no evidence to the contrary and no referral for criminal prosecution.
Pogo already pointed out the difference between a spelling error and a typo. The latter occurs when your fingers don't type what you intended. That unnecessary apostrophe in "typo's" is also not a typo. You intended that to be there. It's a different kind of mistake.
So then you consider convicted felons to be unreliable sources of information whose opinions should be disregarded?
Pogo
Well-Known Member
Thank-you, That is the final nail in dismissing the questions about the elevation to felony.
It is the intent to commit crime, not specific crimes that require their own separate proof.
The law has been there for years without being declared null and void.
On the other hand, stare decisis seems to be a foreign concept to Trump and his appointees.
Pogo
Well-Known Member
Who are you talking about or is this just a figment of your TDS?
It wasn't Cohen. What he admitted in his guilty plea.
Plea Follows Filing of Eight Count Criminal Information Alleging Concealment of More Than $4 Million in Unreported Income, $280,000 in Unlawful Campaign Contributions
As for Weisselberg, he didn't testify at all though Trump could have called him for the defense.That you claim otherwise is just another of your attempts at gaslighting or abject ignorance, your choice.
The Star Witness Who Never Testified at Trump’s Trial
The Star Witness Who Never Testified at Trump’s Trial
Donald J. Trump’s lawyers are expected to highlight the absence of Allen Weisselberg, Mr. Trump’s former finance chief. But he is in jail, serving time for perjury.
Who are you talking about or is this just a figment of your TDS?
It wasn't Cohen. What he admitted in his guilty plea.
Plea Follows Filing of Eight Count Criminal Information Alleging Concealment of More Than $4 Million in Unreported Income, $280,000 in Unlawful Campaign Contributions
As for Weisselberg, he didn't testify at all though Trump could have called him for the defense.That you claim otherwise is just another of your attempts at gaslighting or abject ignorance, your choice.
The Star Witness Who Never Testified at Trump’s Trial
The Star Witness Who Never Testified at Trump’s Trial
Donald J. Trump’s lawyers are expected to highlight the absence of Allen Weisselberg, Mr. Trump’s former finance chief. But he is in jail, serving time for perjury.www.nytimes.com
The prosecution didn't call Weisselberg because they were afraid he was going to lie on the stand.
The defense didn't call Weisselberg because they were afraid he would tell the truth.
Pogo
Well-Known Member
Or as I am finding on my new to me Android devices, the autocorrect couldn't pass 6th grade English and creates as many errors as it fixes. The spell checker dictionary is pathetic too.
I don't mind it asking me if I made a mistake, but making stupid corrections on its own that I have to then catch and correct is beyond annoying.
In fact, it is so out of date it thinks autocorrect should be two words or hyphenated.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
You may be able to turn it off somewhere in "Settings'. I had a tablet like that. Drove me nuts at times.Or as I am finding on my new to me Android devices, the autocorrect couldn't pass 6th grade English and creates as many errors as it fixes. The spell checker dictionary is pathetic too.
I don't mind it asking me if I made a mistake, but making stupid corrections on its own that I have to then catch and correct is beyond annoying.
In fact, it is so out of date it thinks autocorrect should be two words or hyphenated.
Pogo
Well-Known Member
That is what Google tells me but none of the procedures have led to where they say they will on my version.
McBell
Unbound
sounds like you may have a third party keyboard app.
If so, it will be in the settings for that specific app.