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Should Feminists be encouraging women to be strippers?

Shermana

Heretic
Shermana, are you a feminist?

Does it matter? Anyone is allowed to ask Feminists questions in these boards I thought. Or is this not like a DIR? If not, please move to the General Discussions.

You could technically call me a "Feminist" in that I fully support the economic equality and voting rights of women. After all, everyone has their own definition of "Feminism", right? In my idea of "Feminism", the goal is to make women not be viewed as sex objects.
 
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Shermana

Heretic
I am against **** shaming, I am against oppression (not sure I spelt that right). You do not seem to understand where I am coming from though.

But you just said that it's wrong for women to be debasing themselves in a way which encourages men to view them as sexual objects. Trust me, "sexual liberation" does not discourage this view.
 

dgirl1986

Big Queer Chesticles!
Does it matter? Anyone is allowed to ask Feminists questions in these boards I thought. Or is this not like a DIR? If not, please move to the General Discussions.

You could technically call me a "Feminist" in that I fully support the economic equality of women.

I believe the OP wanted to ask other feminists what they thought on the subject.
 

dgirl1986

Big Queer Chesticles!
But you just said that it's wrong for women to be debasing themselves in a way which encourages men to view them as sexual objects. Trust me, "sexual liberation" does not discourage this view.

I did not say it is wrong for women to sell their bodies for money, I stated that I do not agree with it as my personal view and I think it links up to more serious issues. You seem intent on debating me and trying to goad me with statements that I am not into sexual liberation. Your idea of sexual liberation seems to differ from mine greatly.
 

Shermana

Heretic
Yes.


No.


As per rule 10, it's a purple colored area, and therefore is off limits for anyone who does not identify as a feminist.

My mistake, I confused purple with blue.

Well like I added in my edit, I hereby call myself a "Feminist", seeing as I fully advocate the full economic and political equality of women, but instead of being for "sexual liberation", I am for "not having women be viewed as sex objects".
 

Galen.Iksnudnard

Active Member
I don't think a true feminist would encourage women to put themselves in a position where they are treated as sex objects for gawking men.

However, I don't think that stripping should be discouraged as long as it can be done in an empowering fashion.
 

Shermana

Heretic
I don't think a true feminist would encourage women to put themselves in a position where they are treated as sex objects for gawking men.

However, I don't think that stripping should be discouraged as long as it can be done in an empowering fashion.

I agree that "True" Feminists should not encourage sexually promiscuous behavior even if it involves hustling 125k a year out of eagerly paying dupes, and that to do so would involve implying that it's okay for women to sell themselves out as "sex objects" for male gratification, which in a way is not too far removed from the general current of so-called "Sexual liberation".

But please define how it would be done in an "empowering" fashion exactly.
 

dgirl1986

Big Queer Chesticles!
I don't think a true feminist would encourage women to put themselves in a position where they are treated as sex objects for gawking men.

However, I don't think that stripping should be discouraged as long as it can be done in an empowering fashion.

This :)
 

Shermana

Heretic
Seems like another morally loaded description.

But the whole question is whether it is morally loaded or not in the first place. Should Feminism involve encouraging women to do things which cause men to regard them as sex objects or not? Please explain why you viewed the description as "morally loaded" in the first place.

Or should Feminism be about somehow persuading men to not regard women who do such to be regarded as sex objects, and if so, how?
 

Badran

Veteran Member
Premium Member
But the whole question is whether it is morally loaded or not in the first place. Should Feminism involve encouraging women to do things which cause men to regard them as sex objects or not? Please explain why you viewed the description as "morally loaded" in the first place.

Or should Feminism be about somehow persuading men to not regard women who do such to be regarded as sex objects, and if so, how?

It struck me as morally loaded due to the word choices which can be taken commonly as entailing immorality of the act. There is a difference between saying that it can or does contribute to women being viewed as sexual objects and between using words that have common connotations such as 'promiscuous'.

In my view, there's nothing inherently wrong about stripping, in any moral sense. I also don't think that it's inherently damaging, nor necessitating of sexually objectifying women. It could be, and i would assume that it is in some contexts, but i don't think that this necessarily goes with the territory.

So i would assume that a feminist would support a woman's choice in working as a stripper, as a general idea. Whether it's for making some cash temporarily, or because it's seen as a career. To me it's just another form of erotic art, at least ideally.

Due to some of the dangers such jobs may have in some contexts, i can also see how a feminist would not particularly encourage others to seek that as a career, and could even see why there might be some reservations based only on genuine caring for any possible damage that might occur, rather than some extension to the idea of ****-shaming.
 

DallasApple

Depends Upon My Mood..
It struck me as morally loaded due to the word choices which can be taken commonly as entailing immorality of the act. There is a difference between saying that it can or does contribute to women being viewed as sexual objects and between using words that have common connotations such as 'promiscuous'.

In my view, there's nothing inherently wrong about stripping, in any moral sense. I also don't think that it's inherently damaging, nor necessitating of sexually objectifying women. It could be, and i would assume that it is in some contexts, but i don't think that this necessarily goes with the territory.

So i would assume that a feminist would support a woman's choice in working as a stripper, as a general idea. Whether it's for making some cash temporarily, or because it's seen as a career. To me it's just another form of erotic art, at least ideally.

Due to some of the dangers such jobs may have in some contexts, i can also see how a feminist would not particularly encourage others to seek that as a career, and could even see why there might be some reservations based only on genuine caring for any possible damage that might occur, rather than some extension to the idea of ****-shaming.


Bravo!!!!
 
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