Objectification of women can be addressed in many ways. One unhealthy way of attempting to do is to suppress women or shame them rather than address the core of the issue, which is with people's perception. Note that i used "attempting", exactly because i wouldn't consider that an approach that can ever work.
Okay, name a healthy of way of addressing objectification of women. What is this "Core" of the issue and how can we "address" it in a way which promotes a better situation?
Numbers are not necessarily a good indicative when we're addressing the concept of what is being done, as an act. It's not inherently encouraging of sexually objectifying women, which was my point. Other social phenomenons are at work. If i can see it as an erotic art, and other people can, then it's not necessarily or inherently objectifying of women. Rather, i could say that this is caused precisely because of the ****-shaming approach you seem to be taking, among other reasons.
So what is "erotic art" then? Does it involve you viewing the woman in a way which you find sexually pleasing? What is "art" in this case? So if one person views it as "erotic art" and 100 other guys view it as "BOOBIES!!!" then it's not objectifying because at least a tiny minority doesn't see it like that? If you honestly think men are going to strip clubs for the "art" value, well, let's just agree to disagree.
Erotic art is precisely the invoking or arousal of senses, to give a simple definition, and at least in my understanding of it. As such, most people would probably describe it as art had it not been for these other social forces that influence their views to irrationally associate supposed inherent negative connotations with the act.
Oh okay, so basically you're saying that "Erotic art" is essentially the same thing as "going to get your rocks off". So technically EVERYONE goes to the Strip club for the "Erotic Art" value. Okay, well that brings up another question: Is "Erotic Art" now a form of sexual exploitation? How is calling it "Erotic Art" not just a euphimism for what is otherwise "Erotic Exploitation"? What is the difference between a person going to a Strip club for the "Erotic Art" and Al Bundy and his "No M'aam" crew going to the Strip Club?
That was neither stated nor implied in what i said.
I'm not sure if you interpreted what I said correctly.
I have a big problem with objectification and exploitation, and i think that eliminating or fighting the idea of ****-shaming would be an ideal approach to start with.
How do you plan on fighting the idea of ****-shaming? As I said, by far and large, the **** shamers tend to be other women.
Please speak for your self.
Why? I think it's quite a fair statement that we men should be upright and honest in saying that we have a personal interest in this "sexual liberation" to be registered in how to interpret our opinions. For instance, if you find personal pleasure through this "erotic art" that a "classical Feminist" would still think is nothing more than just a fancy way of saying "Erotic enjoyment", then that's obviously a factor.