I already did. Attempting to educate people in regards to the irrationality and damage caused by ****-shaming. IOW, fighting the ascribing of falsely proposed inherent negative moral connotations to a lot of the things women do.
Okay, good luck. Like I said, women are by far and large the biggest **** shamers of all, so I wish you the best in convincing them however you plan on 'educating" them.
First, art is subjective. We can come to some form of definition, but in the end we will no doubt both admit that there's a subjective element to this. Which is exactly what i'm talking about. Ignoring that blatant subjective element and trying to ascribe supposed inherent negative moral connotations despite of this is what i'm arguing against. People perceive this differently, and regardless of any supposed numbers, this in itself invalidates that there's any supposed inherent negativity here.
I'm really not sure that how any of that goes against what I said.
Which, to any rational person, would entail at least the possibility that what needs addressing is the perception of people, which is affected by other social forces.
I'm seriously at a loss here as to what you're trying to say exactly. I'm not saying that the "BOOBIES!!!" factor is somehow "negative", I'm saying that's how Feminists, MANY Feminists regard it. They are the ones you'll have to convince that they are not being sexually exploited. Try phrasing what you're trying to say differently because I'm still not sure I understand.
That is one element, and a dominant one, but it's not by far the only one. To simplify 'senses' to just 'getting your rocks off' is your own view of it, but it was not what i intended to say.
Okay, it's an element that is the dominant element as you say. That's the main concern here. So these women are catering to these guys going to "get their rocks off".
What i was trying to say there is that a lot of people would have labeled it differently and would have not ascribed to it negative connotations if the other social forces at work were not present.
Yes there are a lot, but the "negative connotations" are nonetheless a major factor of a major element of the Feminist movement's regard of Strip Clubs and X-rated media.
This is of course based on a misunderstanding of what i said, which i have now clarified above.
I still don't understand what you're saying.
Feel free to correct me. It seemed that you raised a possibility regarding my position that i neither stated nor implied, so i was making it clear that i didn't.
Okay.
Okay, so your plan is on educating people as if they must change their views to accomodate to yours based on an appeal to emotion. Good luck.
Because your simplistic views do not accurately represent mine and other men's.
By "other men's", I'm assuming you mean the ones you know personally, or do you have access to stats here.
I have clear cut stances regarding liberties, what i view as negative aspects in different cultures in approaching women, and what i view as cultural taboos in general. My views in these regards have clear cut common basis. Feel free to ask about them, rather than using the fact that it happens that stripping is a pleasurable thing for me to watch as a method of attempting to undermine or question the motives of my views.
Okay, if we've established that it's "Pleasurable" for you, then how is what you call "Erotic art" still not a form of objectification? I'm not seeing how there's an actual difference.
