Should Israel be annihilated?

[Brickjectivity]

My fault from going off on a tangent from our original topic of whether Israel should be annihilated.

 

[gsa]

How do you enforce border security with missiles that have the nasty habit of flying over the security fence?

Well to the extent that they did send missiles over, that would be a declaration of war. In that case, however, you would be dealing with a state and UN member. As it stands, Israel is just warring with a population they insist live without any role in the international nation state system. And after all, we are talking about a peaceful resolution here.

 

[gsa]

You're probably right about that. My proposal will likely only become feasible after some huge tragic calamity.



Again I agree except that your proposal, even if fully successful, won't solve the real problem, which has little to do with the Palestinians. You're fighting the last war, so to speak.

As I said, it deals with the Palestinian Israeli conflict, which is distinct from the sectarian regional holy war. Nothing short of rapid enlightenment will be solving that problem in the near future.

 

[Tumah]

Well to the extent that they did send missiles over, that would be a declaration of war. In that case, however, you would be dealing with a state and UN member. As it stands, Israel is just warring with a population they insist live without any role in the international nation state system. And after all, we are talking about a peaceful resolution here.

Yes, that would be a declaration of war. But why wait until the missiles are flying rather than prevent them altogether by not giving them open borders?
I understand that we are talking about a peaceful resolution, but the general feeling here, is that any peaceful resolution would last just long enough to get the missiles aimed.

 

[gsa]

Yes, that would be a declaration of war. But why wait until the missiles are flying rather than prevent them altogether by not giving them open borders?
I understand that we are talking about a peaceful resolution, but the general feeling here, is that any peaceful resolution would last just long enough to get the missiles aimed.

The idea is to bring normality to the region. The only way that you can do that is by transitioning Palestine into a state. We could even insist on demilitarization or other security arrangements, as long as there are harsh consequences for Israel if it violates the sovereignty of Palestine, and vice versa.

But pie in the sky right now my friend. The Israelis have made their current feelings well known and we have to deal with how to force the issue now.

 

[Tumah]

The idea is to bring normality to the region. The only way that you can do that is by transitioning Palestine into a state. We could even insist on demilitarization or other security arrangements, as long as there are harsh consequences for Israel if it violates the sovereignty of Palestine, and vice versa.

But pie in the sky right now my friend. The Israelis have made their current feelings well known and we have to deal with how to force the issue now.

I wonder...

 

[Kalibhakta]

Nothing gets build outside the C-Area, which is allowed under the Oslo Accords.

inb4 Jerusalem(it was annexed after 1967 and all its inhabitants got the chance(and still have it) to acquire Israeli citizenship)

Why are there settlements in the West Bank in the first place?

I love you jump from one failed state to the next as some sort of solution.

BiH and Belgium are not a good examples at all. The Bosniaks and Croats hate the Serbians very much and vice verse. The Bosniaks and Croats meanwhile also hate each other though to a lesser extant because the Serbs exist.
The country literally has 3 Heads of State because otherwise it would all start again. And its not getting better, its the Balkan.

In Belgium meanwhile the Flemish and Wallonians also hate each other on a more civilised level than in the Balkans while the small German Community is like "guys please stop".
The country is effectively divided. Wallonians get spit on in Flanders while Flemish get spit on in Wallonia. Both halves of the country have segregated political parties which make actual governing impossible.

So the "Rocket Rain-Bomber Fleets-Rocket Rain" Cycle is not a failed state ether. Ok. Open war is regular in one of these three places, and that place ain't in Europe.

I confessed Earlier that Israel is going to win with the Palestinians .There is nothing America or anybody else can do if Israel is willing to go into Hermit Kingdom mode because it is rather Self-Efficient

Hamas and Hezbollah aren't ever going to stop being terrorist scum. What, in your mind, is Israel going to do to stop it? Israel isn't about to let a two state solution happen, and the gradual absorbing of the West Bank is obvious to anybody who has seen it shrink, legally or not.

If you call it Cisjordan you might as well do it completely and call it Palestine.

It's a stupid name and if you can think of a better one that doesn't have a Pro-Israel/Pro-Palestine bent that would work. They may not be one.

 

[Maponos]

What Jewish leaders don't you trust? Does your lack of trust have to do with their "jewishness"?

It's because of how tribal they are with each other. I don't mind enthocentrism, but they're almost like actual Nazis these days. I also don't like how they cry 'anti-semitism!' at a lot of things just to get their way or to make people stop talking.

I'm not one for Jewspiracies, but some of the things I've heard and read over the years are just too compelling. Don't get me wrong, I'm one of the least likely to be persuaded by a conspiracy like that, but I have too often gotten rubbed the wrong way by certain Jewish leaders.

 

[Brickjectivity]

It's because of how tribal they are with each other. I don't mind enthocentrism, but they're almost like actual Nazis these days.

Nazis follow the ideology of cleansing the world of all but the best genetic stock. There are some really bad groups that kill people, but they are not like Nazis unless they do it to purify the human genome. It has to do with the belief in racial purity. That is not Jews.

some of the things I've heard and read over the years are just too compelling

This is a very serious charge. Could you be more specific? You mean, like, things on the internet?

 

[Maponos]

Nazis follow the ideology of cleansing the world of all but the best genetic stock. There are some really bad groups that kill people, but they are not like Nazis unless they do it to purify the human genome. It has to do with the belief in racial purity. That is not Jews.

This is a very serious charge. Could you be more specific? You mean, like, things on the internet?

A comparison is comparing two things, not equating them.

I can't recall anything that stands out at the moment, but it has been a collection of smaller incidents snowballing over the years. One thing I can bring up is how Netanyahu wants to 'get rid' of the Jew meme on the internet.

 

[Brickjectivity]

A comparison is comparing two things, not equating them.

There actually is quite a lot of antisemitism or anti-Jew sentiment about. I'm not a Jew, but have encountered it, and its a real phenomenon. Its not a supernatural phenomenon, but its real. Its also undeserved. Ballpark: I think its from a cultural refusal to back down and a refusal to comprehensively explain themselves. I don't see anything wrong with that though. I think that people shouldn't have to explain themselves all the time and shouldn't have to back down. There is privacy and there is independence to think about. Generally speaking there are a lot of paranoid people in the world and also a lot of people that don't like to be told 'No'. Its easily explains anti-semitism.

I can't recall anything that stands out at the moment, but it has been a collection of smaller incidents snowballing over the years. One thing I can bring up is how Netanyahu wants to 'get rid' of the Jew meme on the internet.

Well, he's a smooth talker. Every culture has them. You have to watch out when somebody is too good at talking. Imagine if you were really good at talking. You'd get your way all the time, wouldn't you? Its one of those cases were sometimes people can be 'Too good for their own good'.

 

[Flankerl]

Why are there settlements in the West Bank in the first place?

Area taken by war, then ceded by Jordan to no one. Thus people move in.
You might as well ask why there are "settlements" west of the Appalachians.

So the "Rocket Rain-Bomber Fleets-Rocket Rain" Cycle is not a failed state ether. Ok. Open war is regular in one of these three places, and that place ain't in Europe.

I confessed Earlier that Israel is going to win with the Palestinians .There is nothing America or anybody else can do if Israel is willing to go into Hermit Kingdom mode because it is rather Self-Efficient

Hamas and Hezbollah aren't ever going to stop being terrorist scum. What, in your mind, is Israel going to do to stop it? Israel isn't about to let a two state solution happen, and the gradual absorbing of the West Bank is obvious to anybody who has seen it shrink, legally or not.

You do realise that if Hamas and Hezbollah are never going to stop that you can't really say that it isn't so nice of Israel that there is no peace.

Also more than enough political Parties in Israel and Israeli organisations are in favour of a viable peace deal with the Palestinians.

Oh and open war isn't really an indicator whether a country is "failed".

It's a stupid name and if you can think of a better one that doesn't have a Pro-Israel/Pro-Palestine bent that would work. They may not be one.

There isn't. But its also rather unimportant as no one with some idea about the region wants to create Lebanon 2.0.

I can't recall anything that stands out at the moment, but it has been a collection of smaller incidents snowballing over the years. One thing I can bring up is how Netanyahu wants to 'get rid' of the Jew meme on the internet.

Woah what a butthole...

 

[Godobeyer]

There was no hate involved while writing this. Hamas already hit Arab neighbourhoods of Jerusalem. So why not go for the big prize?

I personaly disagree with Hamas random shot missile , Hamas and Hezbollah are wrong for it's missiles and there recently stratergy .

but Israel blamed more for random bombing randon and occupating Palestinians ,

If you knew a bit about science and the scientific community you'd knew that this is quite inconsistent of you.

Yes because the one editing the page is the only person ever on Wikipedia.

I remember i succed to edit a page in Wikipedia (arabic page) so easy . so for that i don't trust it sources much.

Sorry I don't plan to die early.

I agree ,maybe you correct about this , so would be volunerty suicide , see the abuse and childlish decisions , how much creat the hatefull (to both sides) !!!

 

[leibowde84]

It's because of how tribal they are with each other. I don't mind enthocentrism, but they're almost like actual Nazis these days. I also don't like how they cry 'anti-semitism!' at a lot of things just to get their way or to make people stop talking.

I'm not one for Jewspiracies, but some of the things I've heard and read over the years are just too compelling. Don't get me wrong, I'm one of the least likely to be persuaded by a conspiracy like that, but I have too often gotten rubbed the wrong way by certain Jewish leaders.

Can you be more specific? I still don't know what you are are talking about specifically. Can you provide some specific examples?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

It's because of how tribal they are with each other. I don't mind enthocentrism, but they're almost like actual Nazis these days.

That is as outrageous as it is, either, irresponsibly disingenuous or unpardonably stupid. This is the signature of "actual Nazis".

 

[Maponos]

That is as outrageous as it is, either, irresponsibly disingenuous or unpardonably stupid. This is the signature of "actual Nazis".

I don't care what you do in Israel, but don't try to deny that what Israelis are doing to Palestinians isn't completely dissimilar to what Nazis did to Jews.

 

[Flankerl]

I don't care what you do in Israel, but don't try to deny that what Israelis are doing to Palestinians isn't completely dissimilar to what Nazis did to Jews.

Yeah all those Death Camps, Concentration Camps and Special Commando Units executing Palestinians by the thousands every day are daily observed in the West Bank.

Though usually our resident Muslim members claim such BS.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

I don't care what you do in Israel, but don't try to deny that what Israelis are doing to Palestinians isn't completely dissimilar to what Nazis did to Jews.

Ignorant rubbish. You either know nothing about the Shoah or nothing about intellectual honesty.

 

[metis]

I don't care what you do in Israel, but don't try to deny that what Israelis are doing to Palestinians isn't completely dissimilar to what Nazis did to Jews.

The words "ignorance" and "intellectual dishonesty" come to mind.

 

[Godobeyer]

Ignorant rubbish. You either know nothing about the Shoah or nothing about intellectual honesty.

I know that you don't ignore that Muslims facing racism problem treatement in Israel