Should Prostitution be legal?

[SomeRandom]

It's legal where I live. They even have their own Union. I don't support prostitution personally, but I do support the sex workers whenever they march in the street demanding more protection from the government. Which isn't often, but you know, always raises discussion when they do. Which can only be a good thing, IMO.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

So what basis beside "common sense", which isn't common not makes sense, for not providing a rent service for use of my kidney?

Common sense that pulling a kidney out is not the same as selling your body for sex. I am sorry but such comparison can only be pulled so far and at some point in our consideration we have to accept the fact in that two are simply not the same thing. One involves the voluntary act of your body being cut open and one of your vital organs being removed and this is always the outcome.

Yes, there are dangers involved with prostitution but not every John is a Jeffrey Dahmer. However, without proper protection when a prostitute meets a Jeffrey Dahmer type, they are at much greater risk than if the transaction was talking place in some secure building with records, screening and security personal. That would be a lot safer than some random cheap motel room. By making it legal we could set standards.

 

[Revoltingest]

So the abuses and crimes related to both are irrelevant?

Improving things regarding those maladies is fundamental to my favoring the legalization of prostitution.

 

[Father Heathen]

I am consenting to the slavery.

I don't understand this statement. Are you saying that you personally consent to being enslaved and sold for sex?

So the consenting type should be legal?

That's exactly what was stated in my initial post in this thread.

Same with my idea of slavery.

It can't be considered actual slavery or rape if someone consents to it.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Im trying to find out what the reasons are that it is illegal

Puritanical attitudes towards sex, the belief that bodily autonomy shouldn't apply to women unless they're a corpse, patriarchal notions of sexual liberty applying to men but not to women; the whole keys & locks analogy. That sort of thing.

 

[Shad]

Improving things regarding those maladies is fundamental to my favoring the legalization of prostitution.

Yet the Dutch model has merely shifted the abuses to foreign imports

 

[Revoltingest]

Yet the Dutch model has merely shifted the abuses to foreign imports

We're better than the Dutch.

 

[Shad]

I don't understand this statement. Are you saying that you personally consent to being enslaved and sold for sex?

I was clarifying my hypothetical is consensual.

That's exactly what was stated in my initial post in this thread.

That statement included slavery as per your previous statement within the quote.

It can't be considered actual slavery or rape if someone consents to it.

Slavery can be consensual such as using the funds to pay off a debt. Such laws go back as far as Hammurabi's code

 

[Shad]

We're better than the Dutch.

Point being I was referencing a model in practice which is failing to uphold the idea that legality remedies the abuses of the practice.

 

[Revoltingest]

Point being I was referencing a model in practice which is failing to uphold the idea that legality remedies the abuses of the practice.

It's a complex issue, with different countries having different cultures, law, & difficulties.
I'll still go with legalization because there's no compelling reason to deny working guys
& gals this personal & economic liberty.

If it would help, we could start off with some restrictions.....
- No worker under 18.
- Employers should be licensed by the state.

 

[Father Heathen]

That statement included slavery as per your previous statement within the quote.

By trafficking I had assumed that you meant people forced against their will into the sex trade, which is essentially rape and slavery.

 

[suncowiam]

Improving things regarding those maladies is fundamental to my favoring the legalization of prostitution.

Also, reducing costs would be nice since we're capitalists.

 

[Shad]

Common sense that pulling a kidney out is not the same as selling your body for sex.

Never said it was the same thing. Read and answer the question next time.

I am sorry but such comparison can only be pulled so far and at some point in our consideration we have to accept the fact in that two are simply not the same thing. One involves the voluntary act of your body being cut open and one of your vital organs being removed and this is always the outcome.

I am attacking a principle.

Yes, there are dangers involved with prostitution but not every John is a Jeffrey Dahmer. However, without proper protection when a prostitute meets a Jeffrey Dahmer type, they are at much greater risk than if the transaction was talking place in some secure building with records, screening and security personal. That would be a lot safer than some random cheap motel room. By making it legal we could set standards.

Hilarious. The government has a set a standards right now making it illegal yet fails at maintaining those standards. You want to add another standard and think government can maintain the new one and the old. After all there will still be illegal prostitutes. Nevermind making it legal makes it a business thus taxable.

 

[Shad]

By trafficking I had assumed that you meant people forced against their will into the sex trade, which is essentially rape and slavery.

Yes. However by making it legal you enable people to legally operate by importing sex workers under dubious circumstances. All the problems with the immigration system come to bare on this issue by making a dubious "profession" legal.

 

[Shad]

It's a complex issue, with different countries having different cultures, law, & difficulties.

Sure. However referencing an actual model is the only thing I can do. No one has presented an model for this work. They merely use slogans. Regulate, safe environment, protection. Those are all slogans. Slogans do not make argument no more than saying "it will make things better" is an argument. I see people avoiding the complexity for feel good answers. You are the only one to provide anything beyond slogans as far as I have read.

I'll still go with legalization because there's no compelling reason to deny working guys
& gals this personal & economic liberty.

Threat to public health, avoidance of taxation, abuse of employers, addiction to substances, pressure of poverty are issues which question the legality of this profession.

If it would help, we could start off with some restrictions.....
- No worker under 18.

Sure.

- Employers should be licensed by the state.

So it become a business then?

 

[Jeremiahcp]

Hilarious. The government has a set a standards right now making it illegal yet fails at maintaining those standards. You want to add another standard and think government can maintain the new one and the old. After all there will still be illegal prostitutes. Nevermind making it legal makes it a business thus taxable.

We already have standards right now regarding prostitution and it is not working out so well either.

I don't think you actually know which would be better, you just don't like the idea so you oppose it. But this really would be a question that needs some researching and if I was more engaged I might start looking for some real information.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Yes. However by making it legal you enable people to legally operate by importing sex workers under dubious circumstances. All the problems with the immigration system come to bare on this issue by making a dubious "profession" legal.

Can you demonstrate this actually happening in places in the US where prostitution is legal, such as Nevada?

 

[Shad]

We already have standards right now regarding prostitution and it is not working out so well either.

Yes. So I am question why do you think government will succeed in this instance when it fails even to maintain the justice and law enforcement system's code. Now you are opening it to the IRS, business laws, employee rights, government regulation and the general economy. Government fails once so you double down on government as a solution...

I don't think you actually know which would be better, you just don't like the idea so you oppose it.

Of course this thread is a vote with opposing views. I am going to attack views I disagree with and point out weak arguments. I am going to attack the principles of many by taking those principles to the ridiculous.

But this really would be a question that needs some researching and if I was more engaged I might start looking for some real information.

Well this really is a primary point. We have people voting for it to being legal based on uninformed views or merely slogans. You point out abuses of the current practice in the criminal world. I am pointing out the lack of a model put forward and the failure of models in place now.

 

[Revoltingest]

Also, reducing costs would be nice since we're capitalists.

I'm not so sure they'd go down.
But at least they'd be paying income tax.

 

[Revoltingest]

Sure. However referencing an actual model is the only thing I can do. No one has presented an model for this work. They merely use slogans. Regulate, safe environment, protection. Those are all slogans. Slogans do not make argument no more than saying "it will make things better" is an argument. I see people avoiding the complexity for feel good answers. You are the only one to provide anything beyond slogans as far as I have read.

I haven't even thought up a slogan yet.
Although I've heard that one German company used "Sex mit Herz".

Now don't get snippy with me.
You've provided no evidence that the Dutch model is comparable
to what we'd have, or even that it's all that bad over there.

Threat to public health, avoidance of taxation, abuse of employers, addiction to substances, pressure of poverty are issues which question the legality of this profession.

I doubt employers fear abuse.
If it were legal, many of the problems you cite could be addressed....
- Taxing wages
- Licensing employers
- Health standards
- Employment would fight poverty

Addiction is a separate issue, affecting far more people than sex workers.
You might look into NV, where it's legal.
That would be more comparable than Holland.

So it become a business then?

It's already a business.
I'd prefer that be a legal one with appropriate regulation.