should prostitution be legal?

[PureX]

If providing goods or services in exchange for pay is exploitive, what's the alternative? Should people perform their own medical procedures to avoid exploiting doctors?

There are all kinds and degrees of human exploitation and abuse. And there are all kinds of labor that is not exploitive or abusive. Penetrating a stranger's body cavities to ejaculate in them is extraordinarily exploitive, and abusive, and humiliating, apart from their sincere desire. So let's start there, and ban that. We can worry about the burger-flippers, later.

 

[PureX]

But you are still negating the rights of individuals to do what they want with their bodies and simply because of some moral belief or system of beliefs.

Anyone can have whatever kind of sex they want with anyone else, provided they are mentally capable of making that choice, and they sincerely WANT to. Just not for money. Bevause if we have to pay them to pretend they want to, they don't actually want to. Freedom does not include the right to exploit other human beings for money. And the fact that so many of us here just can't see that is a testament to how totally depraved we have become as a people under the yoke of a culture defined by capitalist greed and selfish consumption.

 

[Revoltingest]

Anyone can have whatever kind of sex they want with anyone else, provided they are mentally capable of making that choice, and they sincerely WANT to. Just not for money. Bevause if we have to pay them to pretend they want to, they don't actually want to. Freedom does not include the right to exploit other human beings for money. And the fact that so many of us here just can't see that is a testament to how totally depraved we have become as a people under the yoke of a culture defined by capitalist greed and selfish consumption.

And let's stop forcing people to act, dance, & sing in shows for pay.
How degrading to make people perform for greedy capitalist audiences.
Stop paying soldiers to kill. They should do it only because they want to.

 

[PureX]

And let's stop forcing people to act, dance, & sing in shows for pay.
How degrading to make people perform for greedy capitalist audiences.
Stop paying soldiers to kill. They should do it only because they want to.

What a truly lame response.

 

[Revoltingest]

What a truly lame response.

To illustrate the lameness of your objection to being paid for a service.

You'd have armed government thugs kidnap,
brutalize, prosecute, & imprison people for
voluntary relationships that harm no one.
Why?
Because services for pay offends you personally.

 

[PureX]

To illustrate the lameness of your objection to being paid for a service.

You'd have armed government thugs kidnap,
brutalize, prosecute, & imprison people for
voluntary relationships that harm no one.
Why?
Because services for pay offends you personally.

And you think all civilization will collapse if you aren't allowed to purchase the right to engage in sexual obuse.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Anyone can have whatever kind of sex they want with anyone else, provided they are mentally capable of making that choice, and they sincerely WANT to. Just not for money. Bevause if we have to pay them to pretend they want to, they don't actually want to. Freedom does not include the right to exploit other human beings for money. And the fact that so many of us here just can't see that is a testament to how totally depraved we have become as a people under the yoke of a culture defined by capitalist greed and selfish consumption.

Might try that argument with all the capitalists first.

 

[Revoltingest]

And you think all civilization will collapse if you aren't allowed to purchase the right to engage in sexual obuse.

Not a claim that I've made.
But violent oppression of sex workers &
customers is the inevitable consequence
of illegalizing it, which is your agenda.

 

[PureX]

Might try that argument with all the capitalists first.

It's all the more reason why we need to set these boundaries and stick to them. Because greed and selfishness know no boundaries. And people will get used to all manner of horrific behavior as long as it's happening to someone else. In fact, the more greedy and selfish our culture becomes, the more we turn to these motives, ourselves, just to try and survive in it. And the more willing we are to see others sacrificed to it so long as it's not us.

 

[Revoltingest]

It's all the more reason why we need to set these boundaries and stick to them. Because greed and selfishness know no boundaries. And people will get used to all manner of horrific behavior as long as it's happening to someone else.

Sex generally "horrific".
The restrictions should prevent coercion,
not voluntary pay for service.
We also need to prevent selfish prudes
from imposing needless restrictions on
private voluntary behavior of consenting
adults.

 

[Mock Turtle]

It's all the more reason why we need to set these boundaries and stick to them. Because greed and selfishness know no boundaries. And people will get used to all manner of horrific behavior as long as it's happening to someone else. In fact, the more greedy and selfish our culture becomes, the more we turn to these motives, ourselves, just to try and survive in it. And the more willing we are to see others sacrificed to it so long as it's not us.

You are still placing restrictions on what is essentially voluntary and agreed behaviour (by adults) simply because it is sexual in nature. Why this one area of voluntary arrangements other any others?

 

[PureX]

You are still placing restrictions on what is essentially voluntary and agreed behaviour (by adults)

It's NOT VOLUNTARY, it's purchased. The fact that money had to be paid to gain assent proves that the assent was NOT VOLUNTARY.

simply because it is sexual in nature. Why this one area of voluntary arrangements other any others?

Because this is the line that until now we as a people were not willing to cross. This kind of gross human abuse for fun and profit was deemed unacceptable. Taking it too far. And yet now here we are, willing to throw away even this last thread of human dignity and respect for the sake of selfishness, and greed. As we all slide further and further into the abyss.

 

[Mock Turtle]

It's NOT VOLUNTARY, it's purchased. The fact that money had to be paid to gain assent proves that the assent was NOT VOLUNTARY.

Because this is the line that until now we as a people were not willing to cross. This kind of gross human abuse for fun and profit was deemed unacceptable. Taking it too far. And yet now here we are, willing to throw away even this last thread of human dignity and respect for the sake of selfishness, and greed. As we all slide further and further into the abyss.

Nah, it is consensual - hence voluntary - regardless of the payment. As for all services. Are you going to dispute others?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I personally think so. I have been told if we did legalize it, there would be brothels to live in which is safer for the streets. Since they would all have to be 18 or older I would cut way down on the need for underage prostitutes. Right now sometimes sex traffickers kidnap teens and force them into it. Sometimes they get an older boyfriend who is really a pimp who manipulates and seduces them into it. i am for it if it would get some teens off the streets and away from pimps.
Anyone have a point a view on this?

I can't support it at all since it would be a violation of my conscience to. I view sex work as immoral, demeaning and dehumanizing, as an attack on human dignity. I've known multiple people in my life who have prostituted themselves and it hasn't ended up well for any of them. A sex worker without mental health problems or a history of trauma and abuse is almost unheard of, as well.

I don't see the point of throwing sex workers in jail or prison. So it should be decriminalized on their end and they should be placed in diversion programs, vocational programs, etc. They should be helped out of it. The only people jailed for it should be those seeking it and pimps (sex traffickers), imo.

 

[Yerda]

I can't support it at all since it would be a violation of my conscience to. I view sex work as immoral, demeaning and dehumanizing, as an attack on human dignity.

I would choose to decriminalise entirely and I don't feel entirely dissimilar - I'd prefer that people weren't in the position that they choose prostitution. If people are going to choose sex work society shouldn't make their lives more difficult and dangerous.

I've known multiple people in my life who have prostituted themselves and it hasn't ended up well for any of them. A sex worker without mental health problems or a history of trauma and abuse is almost unheard of, as well.

Sex work twitter is jam packed with people who sell sex and aren't mentally ill. There are campaign groups set up and run by sex workers who are constantly pointing out that mental illness isn't a common feature of their "union". Many people selling sex aren't damaged, homeless drug addicts. A lot of people seem to choose it because they prefer it to the lines of work they did in the past.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I would choose to decriminalise entirely and I don't feel entirely dissimilar - I'd prefer that people weren't in the position that they choose prostitution. If people are going to choose sex work society shouldn't make their lives more difficult and dangerous.

Sex work twitter is jam packed with people who sell sex and aren't mentally ill. There are campaign groups set up and run by sex workers who are constantly pointing out that mental illness isn't a common feature of their "union". Many people selling sex aren't damaged, homeless drug addicts. A lot of people seem to choose it because they prefer it to the lines of work they did in the past.

Yes, I'm aware of all the sex workers peddling their wares on Twitter (all the porn stars are basically hookers on the side and you can set up "dates" with them for a fee). It's basically an online brothel. No idea how they're allowed to get away with it when CL had their whole personals section in the US shut down when the prostitution there wasn't even as obvious. You don't have to be homeless and a drug addict to have underlying issues. But this isn't exactly something people dream of being.

 

[Yerda]

But this isn't exactly something people dream of being.

True. If we were better at making the world it's a thing that would mostly vanish. Same for substance abuse, imo.

 

[Heyo]

I can't support it at all since it would be a violation of my conscience to. I view sex work as immoral, demeaning and dehumanizing, as an attack on human dignity.

Don't like sex work? Don't do it.

I've known multiple people in my life who have prostituted themselves and it hasn't ended up well for any of them. A sex worker without mental health problems or a history of trauma and abuse is almost unheard of, as well.

Anecdotal evidence.

I don't see the point of throwing sex workers in jail or prison. So it should be decriminalized on their end and they should be placed in diversion programs, vocational programs, etc. They should be helped out of it. The only people jailed for it should be those seeking it and pimps (sex traffickers), imo.

You are all right for all the wrong reasons. (And for one right reason.)
I said that prostitution is a victimless crime. But when people are coerced into the work with force and or lies, that is a crime in itself and the prostitute is a victim. That doesn't make the prostitution criminal but the circumstances.

 

[Revoltingest]

You are all right for all the wrong reasons. (And for one right reason.)
I said that prostitution is a victimless crime. But when people are coerced into the work with force and or lies, that is a crime in itself and the prostitute is a victim. That doesn't make the prostitution criminal but the circumstances.

Why does prostitution make the customer a criminal?
The concept of only 1 party to a crime being held
liable is ridiculous. It's like saying a thief shouldn't
be prosecuted, but a buyer of stolen goods should be.

 

[The Sum of Awe]

I have no idea what's up with that website.

The info may just be out of date. A lot of the prohibitions for activities around prostitution got struck down by the courts several years ago.

In any case, legal brothels exist all over Canada (though their locations are regulated by zoning bylaws and the like, just like any other class of business). Escort services operate openly and legally as well.

My next vacation has gotta be Canada