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should prostitution be legal?

We Never Know

No Slack
I get that. @PureX suggested that they can't truly consent. Does this mean that the guy flipping burgers for minimum wage doesn't truly consent either?
If they are only do it to get paid but would rather be doing something else.... IMO its not 100% consent. Like the guy flipping burgers for minimum wage, they are doing it because they have to make a living and pay bills(which takes some choice away) and may rather not be there.
 
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Father Heathen

Veteran Member
If they are only do it to get paid but would rather be doing something else.... IMO its not 100% consent. Like the guy flipping burgers for minimum wage, they are doing it because they have to make a living and play bills(which takes some choice away) but would rather not be there.
So you agree that prostitution is not unique in this regard?
 

We Never Know

No Slack
What we just ****ing discussed 5 seconds ago.
When you put "unique" you need to clarify what you think is/isn't unique.

Prostitute and a burger flipper
-they both work for someone else
-they both provide a service
-they both get paid for that service
-they both get paid for their time
-they both have to do what is required from them
-they both handle meat
-they both handle buns
-they both have bills
-they both have to make a living
-they both give people what they want
-they both make people happy
-they both have to deal with strangers
-they both may not like what they do
-they both may be unhappy with what they do
-they both may want to be doing something else
-etc etc
 
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Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
You say that, but the water was privatized, and they may have ceased all production under the auspices that the government was trying to enforce some DEI policies, but in fact the company found it more profitable especially after the government needed to step in to address safety and exploitive work practices
The city is still responsible for the shutdown,
having arrested the operators for insufficient
diversity. We were short 2 females, 2 illegal
aliens, 1 Jew, 1 Muslim, & 3 blacks.
That may be so, but it is not normal for the Romeo wiring....
Hah!
You don't even know what Romex wire is.

Duct taping a garbage bag over it is not encapsulation.
It is when using 20 mil poly sheet with Gorilla tape.
 

Yerda

Veteran Member
If you have to pay someone money for their sexual consent, you don't really have their consent. Any more than if you physically twisted their arm to get their consent.
I've read a lot of what sex workers have to say on the matter and this seems really belittling and patronising. It is possible to exploit people financially, but suggesting to people they aren't capable of making informed decisions regarding the use of their own time and body is absurd.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
I think you should pack away that dumb usage, given it might reflect back on you. Sexual strategies have hardly been the same throughout human history, even if it might be convenient for some religious beliefs to think it is so clear-cut. And given that prostitution has such a long history, is it feasible that it can be banished?
Humans are more than just "dumb" (meaning ethically, spiritually, and cognitively unenlightened) animals. Or at least we are hopefully trying to be. Because if we are not, then our whole purpose for being here is wasted. And there is nothing about prostitution that serves the call of humanism. In fact, just the opposite. It serves the call of greed, and selfishness, and animal desire. The very attributes that as human beings we should be trying to rise above.

My position has absolutely nothing to do with religious beliefs, or sexual prudery. It's based entirely on the higher calling of humanism. Of humanity's future. And of humans NOT exploiting and abusing each other for selfish fun and profit.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
Does this also apply to other professions and transactions?
It applies to the way we humans treat each other. Money does not buy anyone the right to exploit and abuse people. In this instance it is already illegal, and it should remain illegal. In the next instance we will have to fight for change. But for God's sake let's at least stop pretending all this human exploitation and abuse by other humans as "freedom". Or is desirable.
 
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Father Heathen

Veteran Member
It applies to the way we humans treat each other. Money does not buy anyone the right to exploit and abuse people. In this instance it is already illegal, and it should remain illegal. In the next instance we will have to fight for change. But for God's sake let's at least stop pretending all this human exploitation and abuse by other humans as "freedom". Or is desirable.
If providing goods or services in exchange for pay is exploitive, what's the alternative? Should people perform their own medical procedures to avoid exploiting doctors?
 

Curious George

Veteran Member
The city is still responsible for the shutdown,
having arrested the operators for insufficient
diversity. We were short 2 females, 2 illegal
aliens, 1 Jew, 1 Muslim, & 3 blacks.
Already addressed. Try to stay interesting.
Hah!
You don't even know what Romex wire is.
Don’t mistake autocorrect for ignorance.
It is when using 20 mil poly sheet with Gorilla tape.
That doesn’t sound like garbage bags, But that you knew how to handle the concern and chose to use some cheap trash bags instead just goes to show how some landlords will cut corners to save a penny, even when the health of their tenants is at risk.
 

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
I personally think so. I have been told if we did legalize it, there would be brothels to live in which is safer for the streets. Since they would all have to be 18 or older I would cut way down on the need for underage prostitutes. Right now sometimes sex traffickers kidnap teens and force them into it. Sometimes they get an older boyfriend who is really a pimp who manipulates and seduces them into it. i am for it if it would get some teens off the streets and away from pimps.
Anyone have a point a view on this?
**** no it shouldn't be legal. Here is why: Because we are not always going to be a nice country that is nice to prostitutes, and slavery is not always going to be illegal. There are not 'Good' countries in the long run. Every country (so far) has gone rotten.

We get the false impression that humanism is a normal and natural expression of humanity. It is, but it is a rare normal and natural expression. Freedom exists in bubbles of History not throughout History. We live in a special time when its conceivable that legalizing prostitution can make things better. For a short time it might, but in the long run it will be very bad.

Remember Rome? It was once a fabulous republic, and the people were not warlike. No! They had no emperor nor a king, but once in a while one of the senators would be appointed by the senate to defend the country. Rome was an elegant jewel of peace compared to the rest of the world. It was they hoped immortal. They hoped it would be the model for the rest of the world someday. It wasn't. Today we think of our civilizations (both East and West) in the same way! Because we are short sighted.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
It applies to the way we humans treat each other. Money does not buy anyone the right to exploit and abuse people. In this instance it is already illegal, and it should remain illegal. In the next instance we will have to fight for change. But for God's sake let's at least stop pretending all this human exploitation and abuse by other humans as "freedom". Or is desirable.
Nymphos exist too.
Working this job out of vocation... because they have the constant need to be intimate with men.
 
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Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
Humans are more than just "dumb" (meaning ethically, spiritually, and cognitively unenlightened) animals. Or at least we are hopefully trying to be. Because if we are not, then our whole purpose for being here is wasted. And there is nothing about prostitution that serves the call of humanism. In fact, just the opposite. It serves the call of greed, and selfishness, and animal desire. The very attributes that as human beings we should be trying to rise above.

My position has absolutely nothing to do with religious beliefs, or sexual prudery. It's based entirely on the higher calling of humanism. Of humanity's future. And of humans NOT exploiting and abusing each other for selfish fun and profit.
But you are still negating the rights of individuals to do what they want with their bodies and simply because of some moral belief or system of beliefs. How can you justify this? The fact is that there are many things we might not like that people do but such are allowed in any liberal democracies because the alternatives probably lead to a worse society. For all that I don't like prostitution either, I would allow people to do such - as consenting adults - regardless of my morals and what I would want to see, but of course trying all the time to eliminate exploitation. And I suspect that the latter is more easily done if prostitution is legalised.
 
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