should prostitution be legal?

[Estro Felino]

No. Prostitution should not be legal. We abuse each other for profit and pleasure enough as it is. We need to be working on how to limit doing that, not on how to make it more prevalent and acceptable.

Let's say the truth.
It's males.
If males stop going to prostitutes, prostitutes will disappear.
It's the law of demand that generates the supply.

I am not generalizing: I know there are romantic and sensitive males who would never sleep with a prostitute.

 

[Subduction Zone]

lol, that isn’t a straw man argument. That is pretty clearly showing that your statement was an assumption.

No, you only had false assumptions on your part and you still have not properly supported your claim. Your post was mostly a lame personal attack instead of an attempt to support your claim.

 

[Revoltingest]

The oldest profession in human history - Should it be legalized? I don't think it's going anywhere but forward. It could be safer for those involved, which would be nice for those involved, but ultimately that is largely dependent on those involved in the profession itself. Between management, clientele, and workers is an entire field of possibilities, but .... The traps are often regulated by its illegalities, so legalization can be a bit of a double-edged sword, being both beneficial and detrimental - simultaneously.

Another aspect to safety is policing illegal prostitution.
How many sex workers & customers suffer financial loss,
imprisonment, & abuse by cops, jailers, & inmates?
What is the cost to taxpayers of persecuting them?
I don't have the answer, but this does mean that statistics
about the evils of prostitution paint a half-picture that
ignores the evils of enforcement.

 

[Curious George]

No, you only had false assumptions on your part and you still have not properly supported your claim. Your post was mostly a lame personal attack instead of an attempt to support your claim.

I am starting to think you don’t know what a straw man is. You suggested that I used a straw man. But I have not created an argument out of something you didn’t say, so I could tear it apart. Rather I am dealing with my assertion, that I believed your statement “high end prostitutes are not exploited.”

Do you feel that I am twisting your words? Do you feel that I have said something you did not?

What would you like me do to support my claim that your statement is an assumption beyond identifying how being a high end prostitute does not entail a lack of exploitation.

 

[Curious George]

All well and good, except you can't easily turn that "should" into a "does." How many Americans, at the thought of society assisting such people, would scream "socialism" and panic in the streets?

This feels like “a problem for every solution.”

I don’t think the solution is to create or perpetuate a system that allows for exploitation. If that means that we have to address outcries of socialism, so be it.

 

[Curious George]

You'll have to blame city government for the lack of water.
They'd ceased all service because the water treatment
plant had to shut down due to a lack of diversity in its
work force. They felt it unethical to continue with too
many white males working there.

You say that, but the water was privatized, and they may have ceased all production under the auspices that the government was trying to enforce some DEI policies, but in fact the company found it more profitable especially after the government needed to step in to address safety and exploitive work practices

It's normal for Romex wiring to be exposed where you
saw it, ie, in the basement ceiling.

That may be so, but it is not normal for the Romeo wiring to have cracks, breaks and tears in the cable and insulation on the wires within nor is it normal for it to be so loosely hanging that my children could play jump rope with it. Additionally, I did you a favor because you used the wrong gauge.

The asbestos had been encapsulated, as required to be safe.

Duct taping a garbage bag over it is not encapsulation.

It only became exposed when you tore into it for material
to make that weird fetish....that you left behind for me to
clean up!

That was a present.

BTW, your neighbors complained about your loud TV's
non-stop airing of Keeping Up With The Kardashians.

It was a marathon, and I am hearing impaired. I would have turned it down had they simply asked. But, they probably didn’t want to venture up the death trap of poorly installed rotting stairs that lead to the door.

So your lame hypothetical analogue arguing against
legalizing prostitution is mere vapid prudery & fascism.

Lol, seems to me that it is apt.

 

[PureX]

If you have to pay someone money for their sexual consent, you don't really have their consent. Any more than if you physically twisted their arm to get their consent.

 

[Mock Turtle]

If you have to pay someone money for their sexual consent, you don't really have their consent. Any more than if you physically twisted their arm to get their consent.

I guess you wouldn't like what goes on in the non-human sphere of life then.

 

[PureX]

I guess you wouldn't like what goes on in the non-human sphere of life then.

Humans behaving like dumb animals is a form of evolutionary retardation. Something we should be striving to rise above.

 

[Mock Turtle]

Humans behaving like dumb animals is a form of evolutionary retardation. Something we should be striving to rise above.

I think you should pack away that dumb usage, given it might reflect back on you. Sexual strategies have hardly been the same throughout human history, even if it might be convenient for some religious beliefs to think it is so clear-cut. And given that prostitution has such a long history, is it feasible that it can be banished?

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

This feels like “a problem for every solution.”

I don’t think the solution is to create or perpetuate a system that allows for exploitation. If that means that we have to address outcries of socialism, so be it.

Then you are suggesting that people should be "re-educated" so that their political views would be the "correct" ones?

 

[Alien826]

Yes, high end hookers are not being exploited. But the average man is not going to go to them. They will go to the streets. Personally I would always rather "take care of my own laundry" than letting almost anyone handle it. I do not have the mindset to pick up street prostitutes. The few that I have ever seen would have made the act impossible.

Yes, me too. I have never "had" prostitutes because I don't want to have sex with someone who is not as attracted to me as I am to her. And yes to the DIY point too. The women in porn are playing a part where they want the guy they are with and it doesn't take much for me to imagine that the guy is me.

 

[We Never Know]

And what exactly are the crimes here and who are the criminals?
You have brought no argument why prostitution should be illegal, only descriptions that prostitution is still connected to criminals who do what they did before the legalization. And even if nothing has changed at least the legal status of the worker has. They are no longer considered criminals. They can't be arrested for prostitution and they now can, theoretically, sue their "employers" and "customers" without incriminating themselves. That they don't do that is no reason to make them criminals again.

You're confused. My last few posts aren't about it being a crime or should be illegal. Its how the women are treated which was what was being discussed.

 

[Alien826]

Humans, largely due to religion, in my view, have a very, very fraught relationship to their own sexuality.

Agree 100%.

It's all about control and having succeeded in that, money. First pick a human need that is too strong for most people to resist. Then convince people that it wrong in the eyes of god, and merits eternal torment if not forgiven. Then set yourselves up as the only source of forgiveness. At that point you have people firmly by the testicles and you can do whatever you want with them. Yes, Catholic church, I'm looking at you.

 

[Father Heathen]

If you have to pay someone money for their sexual consent, you don't really have their consent. Any more than if you physically twisted their arm to get their consent.

Does this also apply to other professions and transactions?

 

[We Never Know]

Does this also apply to other professions and transactions?

Many people don't like their job. They do it to get paid but would rather be doing something else.

 

[Heyo]

You're confused. My last few posts aren't about it being a crime or should be illegal. Its how the women are treated which was what was being discussed.

Sorry, should have read further back.
I guess it will take some time until prostitution will be legalized in the minds of the people. It is still seen as sinful and associated with criminality and the underworld. Especially by the criminals.

 

[Father Heathen]

Many people don't like their job. They do it to get paid but would rather be doing something else.

Of course, so those jobs are just as bad as prostitution, right?

 

[We Never Know]

Of course, so those jobs are just as bad as prostitution, right?

If you think so.

I would guess many prostitutes don't like their job. They do it to get paid but would rather be doing something else.

 

[Father Heathen]

If you think so.

I would guess many prostitutes don't like their job. They do it to get paid but would rather be doing something else.

I get that. @PureX suggested that they can't truly consent. Does this mean that the guy flipping burgers for minimum wage doesn't truly consent either?