Should Tipping be Banned?

[Springs1]

If you would actually read, you'd see that I did say I have had bad experiences at restaurants. I have had all those things happen to me; I just don't get mad at the world and cry about it on the internet...

You never did say you did until just now and how many times would you say for example, you have had wrong prices? A lot or just once or twice for example

Wrong food - A lot or just once?

Forgotten items - A lot or just once in a while

 

[Springs1]

Yeah... That has nothing to do with bringing the wrong dish to a table...

It sure does, because you said

you don't always have time to make sure every individual dish for all of your tables is being made right when you asked for it.

If it's being made right, that means side dish.

 

[xkatz]

Individual businesses should decide whether they tip or not, not the government.

That said, I see tipping as beneficial because tipping is generally more profitable for both servers and business owners alike. Assuming you are well tipped most of the time, you can potentially earn more than just minimum or near-minimum wages. For owners, you are not paying nearly as much for workers if most of their pay comes out of the customer's pocket. It also reinforces providing good customer service with monetary incentive, which is a very strong incentive for workers. IMO, it's a win-win situation for everyone.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

It sure does, because you said If it's being made right, that means side dish.

Now you're just not making any sense... My argument was about tickets taking a long time. I never mentioned bringing out the wrong food or not bringing out a side dish. You should improve your reading comprehension before proposing to tell me what I said. If any other conversation you have on this forum is anything like this, I see a ban in your future. :yes:

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

You never did say you did until just now and how many times would you say for example, you have had wrong prices? A lot or just once or twice for example

Wrong food - A lot or just once?

Forgotten items - A lot or just once in a while

It doesn't happen to me often, but I bet I'm a lot more patient and understanding with my servers than you are, and that makes them want to make sure everything's perfect for me. I'm also known to be a good tipper, so that always helps. Personally, I'd take a bad tip and a complaint from someone that acts like you just to ensure that you never come to my workplace again...

 

[Springs1]

Individual businesses should decide whether they tip or not, not the government.

Yes, but I feel the customer should be able to decide this, not the business so we could be able to tip at places like McDonald's.

That said, I see tipping as beneficial because tipping is generally more profitable for both servers and business owners alike. Assuming you are well tipped most of the time, you can potentially earn more than just minimum or near-minimum wages. For owners, you are not paying nearly as much for workers if most of their pay comes out of the customer's pocket. It also reinforces providing good customer service with monetary incentive, which is a very strong incentive for workers. IMO, it's a win-win situation for everyone.

It is an incentive, but for some reason, it seems not to be enough today. It's like now the servers feel ENTITLED just for handing you your food. It's like instead of them wanting to *EARN* their tip, they feel automatically ENTITLED to it before they even greet you even.

 

[Springs1]

Now you're just not making any sense... My argument was about tickets taking a long time. I never mentioned bringing out the wrong food or not bringing out a side dish. You should improve your reading comprehension before proposing to tell me what I said. If any other conversation you have on this forum is anything like this, I see a ban in your future. :yes:

Originally Posted by I.S.L.A.M617
you don't always have time to make sure every individual dish for all of your tables is being made right when you asked for it. That is the responsibility of the line.

Every dish is made right. Made right, means CORRECTLY. Now, after rereading it, I see what you are saying now. I thought you mean "RIGHT" compared to the food being made wrong, understand?

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

Every dish is made right. Made right, means CORRECTLY. Now, after rereading it, I see what you are saying now. I thought you mean "RIGHT" compared to the food being made wrong, understand?

No "every dish is made right when you ask for it"; "right" as in at the exact time you asked for it. Reading comprehension...

 

[Springs1]

It doesn't happen to me often, but I bet I'm a lot more patient and understanding with my servers than you are, and that makes them want to make sure everything's perfect for me. I'm also known to be a good tipper, so that always helps. Personally, I'd take a bad tip and a complaint from someone that acts like you just to ensure that you never come to my workplace again...

I bet you don't lower the tip like you should be to make the server LEARN from it when they do mess up, do you? Also, how can you be understanding or patient to a server that you KNOW 100% for sure that they are ADMITTING they did NOT TRY THEIR BEST, HUH?

For example, yesterday the waitress right away said they didn't update the menu prices, well that's putting blame on the OBJECT(The menu) rather than her, so that's PROOF she didn't compare the menu prices to the check prices.

So NO, I am not understanding when servers aren't trying their best and don't care about my money, but they want my money! When they have put forth 100% *EFFORT* to show they care, then I will care back. If they don't care about my money, I am not going to care about theirs at all with an attitude that an object is at fault. Their money is not holier than thou as if it's more important than my money. It's JUST AS IMPORTANT as my money is.

 

[xkatz]

Yes, but I feel the customer should be able to decide this, not the business so we could be able to tip at places like McDonald's.

McDonald's employee's do not wait on people like at a non-fastfood restaurant so to me that seems a bit ridiculous. Also, if enough people really disliked the policies of a business, they could simply boycott that business, or, in certain situations should go to court over legal redress. However, there are not many people who I think are complaining about this so most people I take it are either satisfied or apathetic towards employee payment.

It is an incentive, but for some reason, it seems not to be enough today. It's like now the servers feel ENTITLED just for handing you your food. It's like instead of them wanting to *EARN* their tip, they feel automatically ENTITLED to it before they even greet you even.

But they aren't usually entitled to a tip necessarily (unless they're serving a big party). While it is courteous to tip a certain amount, no one is coercing you into doing so. If you think the service is horrendous, you can either tip little, if any, or complain to management in most cases. Your dollars (or lack thereof), do have power.

 

[Springs1]

No "every dish is made right when you ask for it"; "right" as in at the exact time you asked for it. Reading comprehension...

I read it as "every dish is made right" is how I read it.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

I bet you don't lower the tip like you should be to make the server LEARN from it when they do mess up, do you? Also, how can you be understanding or patient to a server that you KNOW 100% for sure that they are ADMITTING they did NOT TRY THEIR BEST, HUH?

Because servers are ungrateful peons that MUST BE PUNISHED :sarcastic... I can be patient easily enough. I just don't let little things raise my blood pressure.

For example, yesterday the waitress right away said they didn't update the menu prices, well that's putting blame on the OBJECT(The menu) rather than her, so that's PROOF she didn't compare the menu prices to the check prices.

And you're saying you would have? Everyone's a quarterback on Monday morning...

So NO, I am not understanding when servers aren't trying their best and don't care about my money, but they want my money! When they have put forth 100% *EFFORT* to show they care, then I will care back. If they don't care about my money, I am not going to care about theirs at all with an attitude that an object is at fault. Their money is not holier than thou as if it's more important than my money. It's JUST AS IMPORTANT as my money is.

Trust me, we can do fine without YOUR money specifically... I honestly don't think your money would be worth the trouble you give me. If you're ever in the Boston area don't come to my workplace...

 

[Springs1]

McDonald's employee's do not wait on people like at a non-fastfood restaurant so to me that seems a bit ridiculous. Also, if enough people really disliked the policies of a business, they could simply boycott that business, or, in certain situations should go to court over legal redress. However, there are not many people who I think are complaining about this so most people I take it are either satisfied or apathetic towards employee payment.

I don't think it's fair they have tips at Subway and Quizno's, but not McDonald's is all I am saying. Either all the fast food places that don't deliver to your car don't have tips or they do is how it should be. It should be up to the customer. When I asking the cashier to get me some tartar sauce in a cup, that's more work for them and I cannot tip them. Is that fair? Not really in my eyes.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

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I'm not lazy at all. I'm more than willing to go above and beyond for anyone that isn't a total prick to me. But to think someone that acts the way you've been acting would get my full attention is pretentious at best... I've refused to serve people because I don't like the way they talk to me, and every server has that right. Your money is not so important that I'll shuck and jive at the drop of a hat. Perhaps if you change your attitude you'll see that service improves...

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

And for the record, I have never once been accused of being lazy... I've had people sit at my tables that can't be pleased no matter what, but they have never cited my service as a problem.

 

[Quagmire]

I'm just bummed that most servers refuse to bring me my meals on their knees. Something about "rug burn". Guess "rug burn" is waitress-code for "lazy".

See, I'm a bitter and hopelessly insecure person who needs the occasional moment of absolute dominance over another human being in order to garner some fleeting, momentary illusion of personal self-worth.

And if you want my 32 cents, you better **** well give it to me.

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

I'm just bummed that most servers refuse to bring me my meals on their knees. Something about "rug burn". Guess "rug burn" is waitress-code for "lazy".

See, I'm a bitter and hopelessly insecure person who needs the occasional moment of absolute dominance over another human being in order to garner some fleeting, momentary illusion of personal self-worth.

And if you want my 32 cents, you better **** well give it to me.

You know what you should do? You should go back to that restaurant regularly and complain about the service again and again. Then you should go home and tell the internet about it...

 

[Springs1]

I'm not lazy at all. I'm more than willing to go above and beyond for anyone that isn't a total prick to me. But to think someone that acts the way you've been acting would get my full attention is pretentious at best... I've refused to serve people because I don't like the way they talk to me, and every server has that right. Your money is not so important that I'll shuck and jive at the drop of a hat. Perhaps if you change your attitude you'll see that service improves...

If you aren't lazy, then prove it, do you do the following:

1. Do you compare each of the check prices to the menu prices(if the prices are listed, which some aren't such as a lot of restaurants don't have their soft drink or liquor prices listed)?

2. Do you check the bill for extra items or wrongly rung up items?

3. Do you bring out soft drinks, tea, or water BEFORE bar drinks if a table ordered both?

4. Do you go in the order in which request came in?

5. If you are triple sat or double sat, do you go to the computer after each table's order and put it into the computer? In other words, do you make trips to the computer and back to the next table to think about the first table's time and 2nd table's time. For example, you are triple sat, do you get all 3 table's food orders and then go put them in or do you make 3 separate trips to the computer to put each table's order in so it can get started faster?

6. Do you make multiple trips to go in order in which request came in or do you try to do many trips in one to where you are costing the 1st people's time up?

7. Do you write *ALL* orders and request down, which that includes if I ask for a box, a bag, the check, etc.

8. Do you get a new glass for iced tea or do you refill at the table? If you refill at the table, you are lazy and uncaring.

9. Do you *OFFER* to do more things such as "Would you like a coke to-go" or "Would you like me to box that up for you?"

10. Do you ask "Do you need change" to people that pay with cash or do you just go get the change?

11. Do you ever short change the customer if you have to get change?

12. Do you check over the food or bar drinks for any obvious errors whether it's your table or not?

13. Do you offer to get the customers anything else when you run another server's food to the table?

14. Do you hold the glasses up to the light if it's a clear glass for soft drinks to see if it's low on syrup or not for the dark colored soft drinks?


See what I am getting at?

Prove you aren't lazy, let's see what your answers are.

 

[Quagmire]

You know what you should do? You should go back to that restaurant regularly and complain about the service again and again. Then you should go home and tell the internet about it...

Way ahead of you, I.S.L.A.M617. In fact, I was on my way over there again this afternoon to complain, but first I have to stop by a couple of Italian restaurants to see if they've started serving Chicken Chow Mien, like I keep telling them to.

Being a conscientious consumer takes a lot of work and dedication. :yes:

 

[I.S.L.A.M617]

If you aren't lazy, then prove it, do you do the following:

Ok, I'll humor you this once...

1. Do you compare each of the check prices to the menu prices(if the prices are listed, which some aren't such as a lot of restaurants don't have their soft drink or liquor prices listed)?

I don't, but I have yet to have this be an issue for either me or my tables... I've never once had the bill come out differently than the menu price.

2. Do you check the bill for extra items or wrongly rung up items?

Of course

3. Do you bring out soft drinks, tea, or water BEFORE bar drinks if a table ordered both?

Yes, and I bring water for the person with the bar drink.

4. Do you go in the order in which request came in?

Yes.

5. If you are triple sat or double sat, do you go to the computer after each table's order and put it into the computer? In other words, do you make trips to the computer and back to the next table to think about the first table's time and 2nd table's time. For example, you are triple sat, do you get all 3 table's food orders and then go put them in or do you make 3 separate trips to the computer to put each table's order in so it can get started faster?

This is how I know you have no idea how to do our job... Making separate trips will make everything take longer for every table but the first one. If I'm triple sat I put all the orders in at once (starting with the first table obviously), but I let them know it might take a little while because I have to take the others' orders, and make sure anybody that has a problem with this gets a comp or some sort of satisfaction for having to wait. People don't really mind the waiting if make it worth their while.

6. Do you make multiple trips to go in order in which request came in or do you try to do many trips in one to where you are costing the 1st people's time up?

I have no idea what you're trying to say... If you're talking about bringing the food out, that's what the runners are for...

7. Do you write *ALL* orders and request down, which that includes if I ask for a box, a bag, the check, etc.

No I don't write EVERYTHING down, but I don't forget either... I'm not retarded.

8. Do you get a new glass for iced tea or do you refill at the table? If you refill at the table, you are lazy and uncaring.

I can't refill iced tea at the table; we don't have pitchers for it... But as a rule I do always use new glasses, to answer your question. Yes, even for water (unless they specifically ask for the same glass, which rarely happens).

9. Do you *OFFER* to do more things such as "Would you like a coke to-go" or "Would you like me to box that up for you?"

Obviously... That's my job...

10. Do you ask "Do you need change" to people that pay with cash or do you just go get the change?

I just get the change unless they tell me they don't want it beforehand.

11. Do you ever short change the customer if you have to get change?

No... I make good money; I've no need to horde change from people...

12. Do you check over the food or bar drinks for any obvious errors whether it's your table or not?

Yes I check the bar drinks, and if I am running a tray(we have runners to do it usually), I make sure everything is correct.

13. Do you offer to get the customers anything else when you run another server's food to the table?

Yes

14. Do you hold the glasses up to the light if it's a clear glass for soft drinks to see if it's low on syrup or not for the dark colored soft drinks?

Yes; and I taste the clear sodas before I pour them.

See what I am getting at?

Prove you aren't lazy, let's see what your answers are.

Again; you're either going to the worst restaurant ever, or people just don't like your snobby attitude, in which case I really can't blame them...