Should you believe the trinity doctrine?

[anonymous9887]

It is obvious that you have your own little interpretation of poetry and metaphors. Unless you study Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek, you will not understand what the Bible is talking about in context. Heavens = cosmos in many regards.

ok so answer this question
why did he not use in Isaiah 40:22 there is one who dwells above the 4 corners of the earth? why?

 

[anonymous9887]

ok so answer this question
why did he not use in Isaiah 40:22 there is one who dwells above the 4 corners of the earth? why?

or there is one who dwells above the earth why did he have to insert the word chug(Hebrew) in there?

 

[Neo Deist]

ok so answer this question
why did he not use in Isaiah 40:22 there is one who dwells above the 4 corners of the earth? why?

If you stand on earth and spin around, what do you see? A circle. That is self explanatory. FYI- older translations have it as "vault of the earth."

Of course in the exact same book of Isaiah 11:12, it is written as "four corners of the earth." The earth does not have corners, so the same book seems to contradict itself. You can't cherry pick verses and make broad, sweeping statements.

 

[Super Universe]

God in His most basic description, is self generating energy that achieved sentience. Along with this self generating energy that is God came the Mother Spirit. Think of God as the Main Frame Computer for the universe and the Mother Spirit as the electricity needed for the computer to work.

The first creation of God and the Mother Spirit was a Son. If God is the computer and the Mother Spirit is electricity then the Son would be the first computer program.

 

[anonymous9887]

If you stand on earth and spin around, what do you see? A circle. That is self explanatory. FYI- older translations have it as "vault of the earth."

Of course in the exact same book of Isaiah 11:12, it is written as "four corners of the earth." The earth does not have corners, so the same book seems to contradict itself. You can't cherry pick verses and make broad, sweeping statements.

Well your entitled to your opinion but it says a circle, and your explaination made no sense. I can care less for older translations I go to the original Hebrew and you can even pull that verse from the Dead Sea scrolls, and the four corners would be used in a different sense. But anyway have a good day. You are very comfortable not believing in God so good for you. To each his own.

 

[anonymous9887]

God in His most basic description, is self generating energy that achieved sentience. Along with this self generating energy that is God came the Mother Spirit. Think of God as the Main Frame Computer for the universe and the Mother Spirit as the electricity needed for the computer to work.

The first creation of God and the Mother Spirit was a Son. If God is the computer and the Mother Spirit is electricity then the Son would be the first computer program.

Sorry I don't read that in scripture. Man says that they all 3 are all knowing all powerful and omnipresent.
Why is it that the father is the only one that knows the day and the hour. So the father is the only one who truly is all knowing. Plus many many more problems.

 

[Super Universe]

Man says? Man does not make the rules. Man, who wrote the books of the bible, was afraid of comets. Man thought that the ground shaking was evidence of an angry God because he was ignorant about the tectonic plates. Man thought that disease was sent by God as punishment because man didn't know about things too small to see without a microscope.

When it says that the Father knows the day and the hour it means this: God does not inform any being of His actions. The angels do not know when anything will happen, they can come up with educated guesses based on past experiences but still they do not know for sure.

The Father is all knowing in a way, one, He provides all new information to beings. No being is capable of original thought except God. Have you ever tried hard to think of something but it eludes you and so you go on and do something else and suddenly the answer pops into your mind when you weren't even thinking of it? God gave you that thought.

God is also all knowing in that He connects with all beings and provides personality and receives all sensory information from those beings. He experiences everything that you experience.

God is also all knowing in that He is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. What this means is that the three dimensional universe has already finished in God's time. Everything that is going to happen in our universe has already happened. God accesses all personalities through all time and experiences it as the exact same moment, this is why sometimes people have past life experiences, it's not their past life they are just having a bleed over through the soul of someone elses life in another time.

If you were looking for simple answers, I'm afraid there aren't any when it comes to God and the universe and ancient man was too ignorant to comprehend and relay the real truth.

 

[Neo Deist]

Well your entitled to your opinion but it says a circle, and your explaination made no sense. I can care less for older translations I go to the original Hebrew and you can even pull that verse from the Dead Sea scrolls, and the four corners would be used in a different sense. But anyway have a good day. You are very comfortable not believing in God so good for you. To each his own.

Hello...I am a deist and thus believe in God above all else. That just proves how little you actually know.

But I am also a realist, and don't buy into the man made holy books that were written in a time period with very little scientific or medical knowledge. Take the blinders off...

Not going to waste any more of my time on this thread.

 

[anonymous9887]

Man says? Man does not make the rules. Man, who wrote the books of the bible, was afraid of comets. Man thought that the ground shaking was evidence of an angry God because he was ignorant about the tectonic plates. Man thought that disease was sent by God as punishment because man didn't know about things too small to see without a microscope.

When it says that the Father knows the day and the hour it means this: God does not inform any being of His actions. The angels do not know when anything will happen, they can come up with educated guesses based on past experiences but still they do not know for sure.

The Father is all knowing in a way, one, He provides all new information to beings. No being is capable of original thought except God. Have you ever tried hard to think of something but it eludes you and so you go on and do something else and suddenly the answer pops into your mind when you weren't even thinking of it? God gave you that thought.

God is also all knowing in that He connects with all beings and provides personality and receives all sensory information from those beings. He experiences everything that you experience.

God is also all knowing in that He is the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. What this means is that the three dimensional universe has already finished in God's time. Everything that is going to happen in our universe has already happened. God accesses all personalities through all time and experiences it as the exact same moment, this is why sometimes people have past life experiences, it's not their past life they are just having a bleed over through the soul of someone elses life in another time.

If you were looking for simple answers, I'm afraid there aren't any when it comes to God and the universe and ancient man was too ignorant to comprehend and relay the real truth.

Yes that makes the point strong that God knows all thing and the day and the hour but why are Jesus and the Holy Spirit excluded if they are God as well , and should be all knowing.
Matthew 24:36 "only the father" he is the only true all knowing.

 

[anonymous9887]

Hello...I am a deist and thus believe in God above all else. That just proves how little you actually know.

But I am also a realist, and don't buy into the man made holy books that were written in a time period with very little scientific or medical knowledge. Take the blinders off...

Not going to waste any more of my time on this thread.

According to deism is God :
Good or evil
Wise or unwise
Just or unjust
Loving or unloving
Powerful or weak

 

[Super Universe]

Yes that makes the point strong that God knows all thing and the day and the hour but why are Jesus and the Holy Spirit excluded if they are God as well , and should be all knowing.
Matthew 24:36 "only the father" he is the only true all knowing.

The Son, in my previous post, is not Jesus. The Son is the Eternal Son in heaven, God and the Mother Spirit's first created being.

The Holy Spirit, I call Mother Spirit, is a mysterious thing. It originated with God but was separated into a being all it's own in order to bring about other beings, the first was and still is the Eternal Son. The Mother Spirit is a being but an associative being, one who does what is needed and not necessarily one who plans or makes universal decisions.

Jesus is the architect of our universe. He is also God's Son but He was sent out of heaven to design our universe and open the gateway to heaven and control who goes through it. This is why Jesus said "Only through me can you get to heaven". This gateway could only be opened after Jesus completed His bestowal mission on the earth, that is why people think that Jesus came to absolve us of our sins and save us. He didn't. We were always absolved, always saved. Jesus, once He completed His earthly mission, opened the doorway and began allowing the awakened sleeping survivors through.

Jesus is not all knowing because even though he has access to all information regarding this universe he does not have access to what occurs in other universes.

 

[anonymous9887]

The Son, in my previous post, is not Jesus. The Son is the Eternal Son in heaven, God and the Mother Spirit's first created being.

The Holy Spirit, I call Mother Spirit, is a mysterious thing. It originated with God but was separated into a being all it's own in order to bring about other beings, the first was and still is the Eternal Son. The Mother Spirit is a being but an associative being, one who does what is needed and not necessarily one who plans or makes universal decisions.

Jesus is the architect of our universe. He is also God's Son but He was sent out of heaven to design our universe and open the gateway to heaven and control who goes through it. This is why Jesus said "Only through me can you get to heaven". This gateway could only be opened after Jesus completed His bestowal mission on the earth, that is why people think that Jesus came to absolve us of our sins and save us. He didn't. We were always absolved, always saved. Jesus, once He completed His earthly mission, opened the doorway and began allowing the awakened sleeping survivors through. Jesus is not all knowing because even though he has access to all information regarding this universe he does not have access to what occurs in other universes.

Doesn't make sense if they are all God they are all all knowing. But since they are not they are not God. Simple. Colossians 1:15 the firstborn of all creation. The usage of firstborn throughout the bible means what it says.

 

[Super Universe]

Everything that exists is God in one way or another. We are God's children, we just don't remember where we came from because that would violate the reason for the universe to exist in the first place.

It can be said that Jesus is the firstborn of this universe since He designed it.

The problem with human understanding is that you don't know the context. You think you are so special and that everything revolves around you. It doesn't. Your not special. If the angels were to rank you among other intelligent species you'd be a few up from the bottom of a list of trillions of species.

 

[anonymous9887]

well ok. man no problem. have a good day.

 

[Neo Deist]

According to deism is God :
Good or evil
Wise or unwise
Just or unjust
Loving or unloving
Powerful or weak

According to deism?

Could you please tell me name of the official deist website? How about the official deist church? Hmmm...maybe the official deist bible? Oh wait, none of those exist because deism is a very broad term. In its simplest form it means someone that believes in God because of observations in nature. That's it, nothing more.

The rest are individual beliefs and they certainly do not speak for every deist.

Now I am done.

 

[anonymous9887]

According to deism?

Could you please tell me name of the official deist website? How about the official deist church? Hmmm...maybe the official deist bible? Oh wait, none of those exist because deism is a very broad term. In its simplest form it means someone that believes in God because of observations in nature. That's it, nothing more.

The rest are individual beliefs and they certainly do not speak for every deist.

Now I am done.

Well why would you be done. Why can't you answer those simple questions. God can either be one or the other, so why can't you answer, there is plenty of observation to be done.

 

[JoStories]

ok is unreasonable to think that the writer had no idea that grasshoppers have 6 legs so therefore walking on all fours is an expression .

You are back pedaling. If the Bible is the word of God and was written by God, how could it be wrong? Either it is the word of God or it is not. And in this case, the verse was wrong. You cannot now go back and claim that the writer got it wrong.

 

[JoStories]

the illustration of the mustard seed is jesus giving an illustaration of the seeds the people of galilee could familiarize with. It was the tiniest seed known in Israel. jesus wanted to speak to them with an object they were familiar with. what if he had mentioned the orchard seed, then his illustration would not have made sense to them, or would have thrown them off.

But if Jesus truly was the son of God, he would have known about every single thing on earth, including seeds and their various sizes. Whether it is not known in that one area is irrelevant. If he had wanted to make a point, and merely a point, he would not have used the word ALL. That states that this particular seed is the smallest and that is simply untrue. If, OTOH, Jesus was simply a man passing on a parable, you have a point. But that then negates the Jesus was God.

 

[Neo Deist]

You are back pedaling. If the Bible is the word of God and was written by God, how could it be wrong? Either it is the word of God or it is not. And in this case, the verse was wrong. You cannot now go back and claim that the writer got it wrong.

I don't recall God sitting down at a desk with ink, quill and parchment...

 

[Neo Deist]

Fine, I will keep playing along. Bored at work anyway...

According to deism is God :
Good or evil

Depends on the type of deism. Some say he is impartial and could care less. Others say that He cares but because of free will, He does not interfere. Nature works as designed.

Wise or unwise

Well to be the creator of the universe, one would think you'd have to have some wits about you.

Just or unjust

Depends on the deist and their interpretation of just, and that depends on whether God can be blamed for anything or not. Falls back on free will and nature.

Loving or unloving

Again, it depends on the individual deist's beliefs.

Powerful or weak

I'd like to think that any being that can create the universe has got some serious power at their disposal.

Of course, none of this can be proven (in any religion) because no one will know for certain until they have died...