Sign at George Floyd Square gives list of special orders for white visitors

[Thief]

Oh yeah I bet.

but it's TRUE..................................................................

 

[Revoltingest]

Oh yeah I bet.

Do you believe that he doesn't get along well with them?

 

[Left Coast]

So this only encourages a revenge reverse mentality to play out. Provocation is the goal here?

Time for whites to serve black masters now?

Revenge is sweet?

Is that it?

Please stop hyperventilating. This is exactly this attitude that the sign is calling to attention.

All it asks is to have a little bit of humility and not make everything about you.

 

[Thief]

oh....it's about that guy that got arrested?
for passing fake twenties

 

[Thief]

hyperventilating......as in panic attack
induced by the use of fentanyl
and the stress of getting arrested

 

[McBell]

I don't see hypocrisy in the black response to white bigotry against them. The situation is not symmetric. Whites initiated the assault on blacks because they were black. That's racism. When blacks retaliate, it's not because their targets are white but because they are being attacked by people who are white. It's self-defense. It's analogous to a person firing a gun at another person to kill them because they hate them, and the target returning fire in self-defense. These are also not symmetric, the former being a crime of aggression, and the latter legally sanctioned self-defense. Black people are not retaliating because their enemies are white, but because they are persecutors, so not racism. If the persecutors were a diverse group, they would still be seen as enemies needing to be resisted. If they happened to all be left-handed people, lefties would be seen as the enemy and signs might go up instructing lefties on how to behave.

We see something similar in the relationship between atheists and the Christian church. Atheists have finally gotten a voice and a platform to respond to organized religion, and they're about as displeased with Christian treatment of them as blacks are of whites. Now that they've begun to fight back, they are called Christian-hating religious bigots. No, the bigot is the one who hates for no rational reason, and the one reacting to that hatred is doing so in self-defense. Also not symmetric and not hypocrisy.

This criticism comes up in one form or another in a lot of other places. Liberals are called hypocrites for advocating for tolerance while rejecting Republican opinion. This was the claim made to me recently, and I explained that perhaps this person didn't understand just what was being advocated, which is a mutually tolerant society. There is no place for the intolerant in such a society, and they should be denied inclusion among the tolerant people. There is no hypocrisy in being intolerant of the intolerant in the name of tolerance, just as there is no hypocrisy in a pacifist returning fire. Advocating peace doesn't mean that you won't go to war to defend or restore it.

Likewise with the Biden and the Democrats being called hypocrites for advocating bipartisanship, then rejecting Republican input - basically the same thing. Once again, perhaps it's not understood what was being offered, which is the opportunity to come together and work together. The Republicans will have none of it, and the Democrats are now ignoring them as the Republicans howl about Biden's campaign promise to unify, something impossible to do unilaterally, and call him a hypocrite.

The point here is that if you or I imitate the actions of others that we disapprove of, such as returning fire, it's not necessarily hypocrisy, since we're not really doing the same thing. The white supremacists are racist. Black people resisting them are not racist, even if they are forced to focus on just one race.

What a load of apologetic crap.
The sign is a blatant attack on white people.
By a group who has been complaining about attacks on blacks for decades.
Do not get me wrong, I agree that blacks have been under attack.
But to claim the high ground and then attack whites in the same manner you complain about whites attacking blacks is in fact hypocritical.

You cannot "fight" racism with racism if you claim your goal is to eliminate racism.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Ouch.
View attachment 49854

Ahaha! I just choked on my Coke.
Poor Rose.

 

[Revoltingest]

Of course all lives matter, but the MidWest is so racist it managed to appropriate that and turn it racist. Now instead of being a call for unity, it's a rally cry against them uppity negroes.

Methinks that your deep deep emotional scars
from having lived in the Peru IN area has prejudiced
you against the midwest. I've lived here & on both
coasts....places also full of racial & other hostilities..

 

[Twilight Hue]

Please stop hyperventilating. This is exactly this attitude that the sign is calling to attention.

All it asks is to have a little bit of humility and not make everything about you.

No it's reverse racism.

 

[SkepticThinker]

and a REAL choke hold......will cause you to pass out......
in 30secs
or less

black belt here........

I know

Sitting on someone's neck and lungs for 9 minutes and 29 seconds will kill them too, apparently.

 

[Twilight Hue]

What a load of apologetic crap.
The sign is a blatant attack on white people.
By a group who has been complaining about attacks on blacks for decades.
Do not get me wrong, I agree that blacks have been under attack.
But to claim the high ground and then attack whites in the same manner you complain about whites attacking blacks is in fact hypocritical.

You cannot "fight" racism with racism if you claim your goal is to eliminate racism.

Agree. Imaging if nothing was changed on that sign except reverse the race.

A special message exclusively for black folks....

 

[Left Coast]

No it's reverse racism.

I don't think you know what racism means, then.

 

[Left Coast]

Agree. Imaging if nothing was changed on that sign except reverse the race.

A special message exclusively for black folks....

You are ignoring the entire racial history of how our country got where it is. Telling people to not be racist is not racist.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

What a load of apologetic crap.
The sign is a blatant attack on white people.
By a group who has been complaining about attacks on blacks for decades.
Do not get me wrong, I agree that blacks have been under attack.
But to claim the high ground and then attack whites in the same manner you complain about whites attacking blacks is in fact hypocritical.
You cannot "fight" racism with racism if you claim your goal is to eliminate racism.

I thought that I remembered you as a person who makes and rebuts arguments. All you did here was to dismiss my conclusions out of hand without rebuttal, and repeat your position unchanged, and with an emotional response at that. Everything you wrote here, you already wrote once, I gave you a counterargument - that what was coming from the blacks is not racism, but a reaction toward racism that happens to be coming from a single race and so is directed at that race. I explained why I thought that not symmetric - that these two groups of people were not doing the same thing, and you just ignored it all and repeated your words unchanged, this time emphasizing that your opinion is fact.

A discussion cannot proceed like this. This one is probably already over. We're right where we were when I rebutted your claims that you repeated. My argument hasn't changed, of course. How could it? You gave me nothing that might persuade me that I was incorrect, so my mind has changed about none of this, just like yours, although I did give you arguments. But if you're just going to ignore them and repeat yourself, the discussion has ended.

Maybe one last effort to be understood and to elicit a response of the form, "I agree" or "I disagree and consider your position wrong for the following reasons (as I did for you)"

I'd basically be repeating myself, but let's see if we can make some progress this time. Black people are not being racist for distrusting, disliking, and wanting to avoid white people. They do not have this attitude because those people are white, but because those people are oppressing them.

I also dislike and object to these white supremacists for the same reason black people do, and it is also not a racist opinion. It's not directed at the white race. It is directed at racists that happen to be white (my race). Black people with the same attitude are also not racist for the same reason. None of us is fighting racism with racism. Or maybe you think me a racist for disliking white supremacists anyway. Hint: it's not because they're white. Their oppressors, however, are being hateful just because those people are black, making them racists.

 

[Quagmire]

They just need to put up a sign right next to it saying:

"To reasonable people in particular: please feel free to ignore any instructions given by race-shaming nitwits".

 

[Twilight Hue]

You are ignoring the entire racial history of how our country got where it is. Telling people to not be racist is not racist.

It is when it's directed towards someone's race and specifically points out ones color.

 

[Revoltingest]

You are ignoring the entire racial history of how our country got where it is. Telling people to not be racist is not racist.

Telling only white people to not be racist is indeed racist
cuz it implies that they all are, but that black people are not.
One shouldn't ignore that.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I don't think you know what racism means, then.

I can certainly recognize it when it surfaces.

Put a sign up and point out black people without changing a thing except role reversal and the perspective of what and what is not racist takes on a whole new meaning there.

It's not OK to say that to white people no more than it's OK to put black in place of whites.

You would think lessons would be learned by now but they never are.

 

[Twilight Hue]

They just need to put up a sign right next to it saying:

"To reasonable people in particular: please feel free to ignore any instructions given by race-shaming nitwits".

All they need to do is remove those special instructions for whites and all is well with it.

 

[Quagmire]

Probably some stupid college students wrote that. They do the same crap here. It's usually not coming from the black community itself. Most of the activists saying really crazy things at these rallies (they were chanting "abolish the police!" here a few days ago) appear to be college students and they're getting these radical ideas from campus or online. "BIPOC" is yet another alphabet soup acronym that only activists know and use, especially since it's rather new. Many of them are white, themselves. A white person may have written that, and likely did.

Quite possibly. I did notice that whoever put the flyer up didn't bother to identify themselves.
Usually when somebody's going to take it upon themselves to assert their authority over the public, it's just standard operating procedure to declare what authority they're acting under.

If they want to be taken seriously I mean.