Single Payer Health Care

[Salvador]

Oh I am fully aware. I recently had to call my insurance company and hold my own life hostage (by threatening suicide) because they wouldn't approve an MRI. It was approved 2 hours later.

What you fail to realize is govt is extremely slow due to so much red tape and bureaucracy. If you need a surgery within the next month to save your life, you might as well kiss your grit goodbye, because it will take the govt a minimum of 6 months to make a decision.

At least if healthcare is private and I am no longer happy, I can take my money elsewhere. Once govt takes over your stuck with it.

Good news for recipients of Medicare....... ..... Seniors’ Wait For A Medicare Appeal Is Cut In Half! ....

Seniors’ Wait For A Medicare Appeal Is Cut In Half

 

[ecco]

So then, it's not fake news that the VA is not broken and is doing well with helping out Veterans due in part to executive orders from our POTUS. ....

Trump and the Veterans Choice Program - FactCheck.org
We looked at news reports and White House statements and could find no evidence to support the post, which in one instance was shared more than 209,700 times. It reads in full:

“For all the Trump haters; today President Trump signed an executive order allowing our veterans to get 100% medical bills paid at hospitals other than a V.A. hospital. This will save the lives of many American service men and women who have been on V.A. waiting lists, some for years and many dying while waiting. Now they can go to ANY hospital they want… This is how our veterans SHOULD be treated!!! Thanks President Trump!!!”​

 

[Fool]

 

[Shad]

the US post office is a for profit institution and thus cannot legally be a government institution. the government isn't considered a profit/nonprofit. it is a system setup for the creating, enforcing, and maintaining the interest of the people.

Wrong. It was created by a government Act. It's board is mostly selected by POTUS. It's employees are government employees. I already linked you the Act. You are in denial of the facts, nothing more.

U.S. Postal Service | USAGov

The U.S. Postal Service has been around longer than the IRS. It was founded in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, by Benjamin Franklin, who was also named the first Postmaster General. You can still have your letters postmarked "B. Free Franklin" by hand in Franklin's post office located at 3rd and Market - and take a tour while you're at it.

You are telling me something I already linked.

If you recall that there was a postal service before the United States won its independence, you're not wrong. But the U.S. Postal Service as we know it today was authorized by the U.S. Constitution at Article I, Section 8, which says, in part:

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States…

To establish post offices and post roads;

Ergo it is part of government. Read what you post. You just refuted yourself....

 

[dianaiad]

Is this the part where you explain to me, an Australian, how terrible my healthcare service is?

Nope. If you like it, fine.

I won't like it.

But then, my own health care is free, and I have really expensive health care. As in....(I added this up just now...) considerably over a million dollars just in the last three years. I have looked at all the 'options' proposed by the powers that be, and none of 'em have come up with a plan that would allow me to afford anything.

For that matter, I haven't seen a single option that would allow my son, his disabled wife and their brand new daughter (eight weeks old right now) to afford the care SHE needs.

Would I like to see everybody able to get the healthcare they need? You betcha.

I don't see that happening in any program proposed. Certainly 'Obamacare' doesn't come close.

Call me selfish. That's OK. I AM being selfish. I don't feel like being the proverbial "Eskimo Elder' put out on the ice to die so that the rest of the tribe don't have to deal with me.

I LIKE being able to be in clinical trials that help the medical field find new treatments for cancer.

I like being able to choose my own doctor and make my own health care decisions.

I do not want to have my health care decided by a committee that takes numbers, forgets ME, and decides what my future will be.

 

[dianaiad]

The Govt provides Medicare. Most people who have Medicare sign up with a private company for additional benefits. So, let's say you sign up with ABCco and a year later you find they suck. So, next year you drop ABCco and go with XYZco. Do you really believe XYZco is going to be better that ABCco? Why? What kind of research can you do? Also, executives change. Policies change.

That's not a description of single payer.

 

[Salvador]

Trump and the Veterans Choice Program - FactCheck.org
We looked at news reports and White House statements and could find no evidence to support the post, which in one instance was shared more than 209,700 times. It reads in full:

“For all the Trump haters; today President Trump signed an executive order allowing our veterans to get 100% medical bills paid at hospitals other than a V.A. hospital. This will save the lives of many American service men and women who have been on V.A. waiting lists, some for years and many dying while waiting. Now they can go to ANY hospital they want… This is how our veterans SHOULD be treated!!! Thanks President Trump!!!”​

Trump's continued support for the Veterans Choice Program is way more important to veterans than Trump wrongly taken some credit for getting this program enacted.. ....

 

[Salvador]

Since this is a healthcare thread I won't mention the "freebies" promised by Bloviator-in-Chief:
Wall paid for by Mexico....
.

Please let's get Mexico to pay for the wall by way of increasing the application and renewal fees Mexican immigrants would have to pay for their work permits in order to lawfully work in the United States.

"Trump could “increase the fee for visas, which is a decision made by the State Department, not by Congress” or “increase the toll on the bridges [between the two countries] . . . again, not done by Congress. There are ways of doing it … transaction fees, commissions, special fees etc.,," according to former Mexican diplomat Jorge Castañeda..

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Nope. If you like it, fine.

I won't like it.

But then, my own health care is free, and I have really expensive health care. As in....(I added this up just now...) considerably over a million dollars just in the last three years. I have looked at all the 'options' proposed by the powers that be, and none of 'em have come up with a plan that would allow me to afford anything.

For that matter, I haven't seen a single option that would allow my son, his disabled wife and their brand new daughter (eight weeks old right now) to afford the care SHE needs.

Would I like to see everybody able to get the healthcare they need? You betcha.

I don't see that happening in any program proposed. Certainly 'Obamacare' doesn't come close.

Call me selfish. That's OK. I AM being selfish. I don't feel like being the proverbial "Eskimo Elder' put out on the ice to die so that the rest of the tribe don't have to deal with me.

I LIKE being able to be in clinical trials that help the medical field find new treatments for cancer.

I like being able to choose my own doctor and make my own health care decisions.

I do not want to have my health care decided by a committee that takes numbers, forgets ME, and decides what my future will be.

What part of any of those things do you think applies to healthcare in Australia? We choose our own healthcare providers, we make our own decisions, we can participate in clinical trials and we care for our elderly. So please, tell me specifically what you think is wrong with our system?

 

[Shaul]

“Single payer health care” is a shibboleth and is nebulously defined. Until someone presents a plan that isn’t congenitally flawed and is fiscally sustainable than it is just the pipe dream of statists and petty authoritarians with delusions of grandeur. No thanks.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

“Single payer health care” is a shibboleth and is nebulously defined. Until someone presents a plan that isn’t congenitally flawed and is fiscally sustainable than it is just the pipe dream of statists and petty authoritarians with delusions of grandeur. No thanks.

So what's wrong with the system in, for example, Australia?

 

[fantome profane]

Please let's get Mexico to pay for the wall by way of increasing the application and renewal fees Mexican immigrants would have to pay for their work permits in order to lawfully work in the United States.

"Trump could “increase the fee for visas, which is a decision made by the State Department, not by Congress” or “increase the toll on the bridges [between the two countries] . . . again, not done by Congress. There are ways of doing it … transaction fees, commissions, special fees etc.,," according to former Mexican diplomat Jorge Castañeda..

It makes sense. Desperate people fleeing economic devastation can easily afford the billions the wall would cost.

Check their shoes, that is where they hide the hundred dollar bills.

 

[Fool]

Wrong. It was created by a government Act. It's board is mostly selected by POTUS. It's employees are government employees. I already linked you the Act. You are in denial of the facts, nothing more.

U.S. Postal Service | USAGov



You are telling me something I already linked.


Ergo it is part of government. Read what you post. You just refuted yourself....

no i sent you a link to a forbes website about an article on the USPS; obviously you didn't read it.

the USPS isn't a government organization. it is a for profit business. it isn't a government agency even if the us government regulates it. its considered a quasi-government agency.

The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics doesn’t include U.S. Postal Service employees in its count of federal employees.

 

[Salvador]

It makes sense. Desperate people fleeing economic devastation can easily afford the billions the wall would cost.

Check their shoes, that is where they hide the hundred dollar bills.

Initial temporary short term work permits could be issued to Mexican migrant workers at a nominal fee for border wall security; then, after these Mexican workers have received a few paychecks, they'd be in a financial position to pay more money for long-term work permit fees for border wall security. This would make sense for American border wall security to have these Mexican migrant workers pay for our border wall security rather than enabling them to transfer their financial savings out of America to their families in Mexico.

 

[Salvador]

So what's wrong with the system in, for example, Australia?

There's nothing terribly wrong with Australia's health care system, President Trump admitted to Australia's Prime Minister :"you have better health care than we do.” Australia has universal health care, which is why their health care system is better than ours. So then, we should also have universal health care which could be well funded by a 10 percent VAT system like they have in Australia.

 

[Shad]

no i sent you a link to a forbes website about an article on the USPS; obviously you didn't read it.

And I linked you the governments website itself refuting your article. More so you ignored your own link's source which has this.

39 U.S. Code § 201 - United States Postal Service

Try again.

the USPS isn't a government organization.

Wrong. Did you read your own link?

". By statute, the U.S. Post Office is an "independent establishment of the executive branch of the Government of the United States."

Do note it does not say independent from.... Try again.

it is a for profit business.

Wrong. USPS has a number of ways of funding itself via services. That does not make it for-profit. Besides USPS has been losing billions for years.

it isn't a government agency even if the us government regulates it. its considered a quasi-government agency.

Wrong. It is an executive branch agency.

The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics doesn’t include U.S. Postal Service employees in its count of federal employees.

Irrelevant.

Beside there is this fact. Oh look... The USBLS says it is government. Hilarious.

All Employees: Government: U.S. Postal Service

 

[Fool]

And I linked you the governments website itself refuting your article. More so you ignored your own link's source which has this.

39 U.S. Code § 201 - United States Postal Service

Try again.



Wrong. Did you read your own link?

". By statute, the U.S. Post Office is an "independent establishment of the executive branch of the Government of the United States."

Do note it does not say independent from.... Try again.




Wrong. USPS has a number of ways of funding itself via services. That does not make it for-profit. Besides USPS has been losing billions for years.




Wrong. It is an executive branch agency.



Irrelevant.

Beside there is this fact. Oh look... The USBLS says it is government. Hilarious.

All Employees: Government: U.S. Postal Service

Who works for the federal government?
According to data from the BLS Occupational Employment Statistics (OES) survey, the federal government employed just over 2 million civilian workers in May 2013. That’s about 1.5 percent of the nearly 133 million workers BLS counted in all industries in the United States.

But total federal employment varies, depending on which workers are counted. For example, the OES total includes only federal executive branch workers. Data in this article are from the Office of Personnel Management (OPM) and include full-time, permanent, non-postal civilian workers from all branches, for a total of 1.8 million. (Federal contractors are not directly employed by the government and are not included in these totals.)

OPM data show that the federal workforce is diverse, and the demographics are similar to that of the overall labor force. In 2013, men slightly outnumbered women, for example. More than one-third of federal employees were minorities, with Blacks making up the largest portion (18 percent) of these minority workers. And nearly 9 percent of federal workers have a disability.

 

[ecco]

Trump and the Veterans Choice Program - FactCheck.org
We looked at news reports and White House statements and could find no evidence to support the post, which in one instance was shared more than 209,700 times. It reads in full:

“For all the Trump haters; today President Trump signed an executive order allowing our veterans to get 100% medical bills paid at hospitals other than a V.A. hospital. This will save the lives of many American service men and women who have been on V.A. waiting lists, some for years and many dying while waiting. Now they can go to ANY hospital they want… This is how our veterans SHOULD be treated!!! Thanks President Trump!!!”

Trump's continued support for the Veterans Choice Program is way more important to veterans than Trump wrongly taken some credit for getting this program enacted.. ....

Yes, I understand. God can do nothing wrong. Even when God does nothing, He gets credit for doing good.

 

[ecco]

Please let's get Mexico to pay for the wall by way of increasing the application and renewal fees Mexican immigrants would have to pay for their work permits in order to lawfully work in the United States.

"Trump could “increase the fee for visas, which is a decision made by the State Department, not by Congress” or “increase the toll on the bridges [between the two countries] . . . again, not done by Congress. There are ways of doing it … transaction fees, commissions, special fees etc.,," according to former Mexican diplomat Jorge Castañeda..

Yes, your fearless leader could do those things. But that's not He promised, is it?

Instead he is diverting Military funds...

(CNN)The Pentagon has diverted an additional $1.5 billion in Defense Department funds from various accounts in order to fund President Donald Trump's border wall, acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan told reporters Friday.

He said the military has found a way to reprogram the $1.5 billion without harming readiness. However, he added that the Pentagon wouldn't be diverting any more funds to the wall.


"I won't be reprogramming any more money for the border wall," Shanahan said. "There was a billion and a half dollars that was reprogrammed...

The money will pay for "fence replacement on four additional projects in and around Tucson, AZ, and El Centro, TX, totaling 78.25 miles," Pentagon spokesman Tom Crosson told CNN.
The news comes as Shanahan has asked Congress for $1.8 billion in additional money for this fiscal year to help repair damage done to military installations by recent hurricanes.

The decision to reprogram money toward the border wall and not hurricane recovery was slammed by the senior Democrat on the Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on Defense.

"Today, the Defense Department will divert another $1.5 billion from our military to the 'big & beautiful' border wall," Sen. Dick Durbin wrote on Twitter. "The Pentagon has now reprogrammed 12 times more money to the wall than for repairs at Tyndall AFB, destroyed by Hurricane Michael. We should put troops first!"
​

What's really funny about this is that Tyndall AFB is in the panhandle of Florida. The same panhandle that was devasted by a hurricane. The same panhandle that has not gotten adequate recovery funding. The same panhandle that voted overwhelmingly for Trump.

But it won't matter to panhandle sheeples. They'll vote for Trump again in 2020.

 

[sooda]

“Single payer health care” is a shibboleth and is nebulously defined. Until someone presents a plan that isn’t congenitally flawed and is fiscally sustainable than it is just the pipe dream of statists and petty authoritarians with delusions of grandeur. No thanks.

Medicare is single payer and it already works.