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Slavery

firedragon

Veteran Member
And what about Islam? Whenever Islam is criticised, we have people leap to its defense, assuring us that things like terrorism are just part of its culture, and we mustn't hold our Western morality against the different culture of Islam. Did you know that they have slavery today?

Slavery in 21st-century Islamism - Wikipedia
Islam and slavery - Wikipedia

Either morality is the same as culture (in which case, we excuse the West for its failings, as well as Islam) or just because a culture says something is moral doesn't make it moral (in which case, not only should we condemn Islam but the Western response to COVID and isolation of people who refuse to wear masks... hmmm alienation for not wearing facial coverings, where have I heard of that before? Oh right Islam, with its hijab laws). Either we forgive both, or we condemn both.

You cannot hold up one class of people as blameless when they still practice slavery, yet crucify another class who largely abolished slavery and insist they pay reparations.
Why isn’t BLM demanding that Muslims pay reparations for their long and sordid history of enslaving black people, that continues even to this day?

To clarify, are you analysing "Islam" by studying Boko Haram and ISIS? I mean is that your study material to understand the theology or scripture of "Islam"?
 

thomas t

non-denominational Christian
How do you make that say anything else?
No, I don't make this say anything else.
As I told you in #58... you wrote: Homosexuals too have their own issues with disease and the physical effects of unnatural sexual activity.
Nothing in the Bible says anything like this. So this is the very own "truth" of Jehova Witnesses.
The Bible does not teach which sexual practices are safe and which ones are not. You would need to consult a doctor and hear his/her opinion on which practices are safe.

"homosexuality is sin" is the big mantra of the conservative religious folks, as I see it. It's getting on everyone's nerves, I guess.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
If the slavery is understood from a perspective other than a permanently fixed narrow view.
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For example...
The apostle Paul made this expression... "...but through love slave for one another". Galatians 5:13
He explained and demonstrated what that meant.
"For though I am free from all people, I have made myself the slave to all, so that I may gain as many people as possible. . ." (1 Corinthians 9:19)
Yes, a person can be a willing slave, as was the case, past, present, and will be in the future, as mentioned in the OP.
Jesus too, set the example in willingly serving others. (Matthew 20:28; Philippians 2:7)

Have you ever offered to carry someone's stuff for them; move things for them...
That's commendable. A willingness to slave for others, is actually a good thing.
This is the slavery, that is promoted by God, and his servants. Fundamentalist you call them? If it makes you happy.

Not, I'm not talking about cherry picking symbolism. I'm talking about actual slavery as condoned and regulated in exodus.

You know that off course. You just are trying your best to divert the focus from the nasty bits.

I thought you had the narrow view. The meaning of the term fundamentalist is being demonstrated here.
Nowhere in the Bible is that promoted by God.

Read your bible.

Bible Gateway passage: Exodus 21:20-21 - New International Version

20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.

Having a moral compass is good. If however, North is East at times, and then West at others, the compass may as well be left under the bed.
Whether you believe it with all your heart, or think it, your moral compass is not accurate. You can never come even close to the Rock - Perfect is his activity. For all his ways are Justice,
Yup. you are an imperfect being trying to set your own standard. However, I can't fault you if you are trying to do what you think is right. Keep at it. Perhaps one day you will know what is right.

Slavery will never be right. And was never right.
Forcing women to marry their rapists will never be right. And was never right.

Regardless of past primitive barbarian cultures.
The morals exhibited in the bible are primitive and barbaric.
My moral compass is vastly superior then that.
So is yours.
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
Some creatures don’t value pearls apparently.....:shrug:....and we can’t make them....nor do we want to. Choices are ours to make.

Pearls such as these ones?

If a man encounters a young woman, a virgin who is not engaged, takes hold of her and rapes her, and they are discovered, the man who raped her is to give the young woman’s father fifty silver shekels, and she will become his wife because he violated her. He cannot divorce her as long as he lives.
Deuteronomy 22:28-29 CSB



20 “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, 21 but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property.
Exodus 21:20-21


"If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense."
Leviticus 20:13




I'll proudly pass, thanks.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
I hope your children are (or at least, were) your property. If they are not, you have my sympathy... Sincerely.
What kind of logic is that? It looks like you are ready to endorse owning another human being, because you think that owning our kids is fine. That is a non-sequitur as big as a house.

Incidentally, if your children are your property, how much do they cost?

Ciao

- viole
 
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thomas t

non-denominational Christian
While I'm not a Jehova Witness like the other ones who defend Bible here...
In todays world I'm totally against any form of arranged marriage unless the woman wants it, too.
Forcing women to marry their rapists will never be right. And was never right.
so you think it best if parents can force their daughters into marriages... unless they had been subjected to rape, right?
Or what is it? Or are you promoting a sound stance against any forced marriage in Bronze Age?
Even a few hundred years before Christ, forced marriage is still the default option, see Ezra 9:2. Please note: this verse makes it clear that it is the default option for anyone... not just Israeli citizens...

So let's consider for a moment you wouldn't have tried a social revolution prescribing freedom for marriage in Bronze Age...
and you want the exception in case of rape. In case of rape you want the woman to be free.

So any woman that wants to marry whomever she wants needs to get a rape before?

As I see it, a rape victim wouldn't have got the opportunity to "marry" again, anyway. See 2 Samuel 13:20.
The situation as I see it is like this: either a marriage with the rapist or no marriage whatsoever. And this stands in a context in which the women could not decide whom to marry.
So you want God to have done what? Saying no to forced marriage after rape, and then give a yes to all other forms of forced marriage?
Or tryng the social revolution prescribing free marriage for all?

I had to think about your postings a lot... so my answer comes a bit late...
 

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
While I'm not a Jehova Witness like the other ones who defend Bible here...
In todays world I'm totally against any form of arranged marriage unless the woman wants it, too.

so you think it best if parents can force their daughters into marriages... unless they had been subjected to rape, right?
Or what is it? Or are you promoting a sound stance against any forced marriage in Bronze Age?
Even a few hundred years before Christ, forced marriage is still the default option, see Ezra 9:2. Please note: this verse makes it clear that it is the default option for anyone... not just Israeli citizens...

So let's consider for a moment you wouldn't have tried a social revolution prescribing freedom for marriage in Bronze Age...
and you want the exception in case of rape. In case of rape you want the woman to be free.

So any woman that wants to marry whomever she wants needs to get a rape before?

As I see it, a rape victim wouldn't have got the opportunity to "marry" again, anyway. See 2 Samuel 13:20.
The situation as I see it is like this: either a marriage with the rapist or no marriage whatsoever. And this stands in a context in which the women could not decide whom to marry.
So you want God to have done what? Saying no to forced marriage after rape, and then give a yes to all other forms of forced marriage?
Or tryng the social revolution prescribing free marriage for all?

I had to think about your postings a lot... so my answer comes a bit late...
I'm not sure what I find most disturbing...
The idea that I need to defend that statement or... the things you just said.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
There is no way to stop those with narrow views and a fixed agenda, from twisting everything we say.....we understand that the godless have their views, based on how their own compass directs them.....and they don’t really care about any viewpoint other than their own....they are welcome to view things in whatever way they like.....but so are we. Free will allows this and we understand that it serves an important purpose.

Some creatures don’t value pearls apparently.....:shrug:....and we can’t make them....nor do we want to. Choices are ours to make.

By "pearls" you mean rape and slavery? It's funny how you refer to valuing critical thought, empathy, and justice to be "a narrow view with a fixed agenda." (I call it human decency) but keep on pretending that superstiton induced sociopathy is the high horse.

As for being "godless"; the notion of god isn't exclusive to your belief system. He's not your trademarked mascot. Nor is he trapped within your silly book as if it were a pokeball.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Putting yesterday’s cultural differences into today’s world...I guess you would consider it appalling.....but it’s the 21st century and I guess today’s moral standards...or lack of them makes for a better world then....? :rolleyes:
It's appalling for a number of reasons.

It's also moral relativism. You know, like atheists are always being accused of.

You're trying to pass off Biblical morality as some kind of objective truth that comes down from God, when what you're actually practicing is moral relativism. It's not your fault though, you almost have to, given some of the horrible ideas the Bible has about morality.

The question I was asking you, which you've completely omitted in your response, is what is moral about what you said in that post?
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
It is terrible that you were raped but that is the job of the law. Why did you police force not investigate it properly? That would be the bigger question.

I also think the diversion this thread has taken is a bit odd, why not keep it on the topic of slavery?
I agree that it's the job of the law. The police told me that someone following me around everywhere isn't a crime and so there's nothing they can do about it. They did start a file on it though, because I insisted that I wanted a record of it.


What was under discussion was an aspect of Biblical law/morality. You should check out the post I was responding to for some context.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Which in those days meant a roof over their head and food in their bellies...and laws to protect them. Is that somehow worse than being filthy and homeless on the street with hungry children?

Many forms of employment are actually worse, depending on where you live. Even in democratic countries like the US, people are pretty much slaves to their employers. Most of their waking hours are spent making him money. Some barely make ends meet with three jobs. Is that a better system?

Does slavery fit in today’s world.....I still see it...don’t you?



Talking of morality....can you show me how today’s morality or lack of it, makes life today somehow superior?

The internet is full of child pornography and those who feed on it are actually taking children from their families and trafficking them to feed the appetites of more pedophiles. Is that freedom?

Children are growing up without knowing what a family is....there are no role models and a “father figure” is often Mom’s latest boyfriend. These kids grow up with a distorted view of how to be a mother or father. Like animals, they breed and move on....is that a good thing?

We live in a world where sexual morality is fast disappearing and we are reaping what we have sown. STD’s are rampant, but seen as inevitable these days....you seldom hear about them because they are an expected side effect of today’s ‘morality’. Antibiotics just make the bugs stronger, until there is nowhere to go to defeat them. Is this a good advocate for sexual freedom in your estimations?

Sorry, but I feel like a foreigner in this world, longing to go home....I believe that many so called freedoms are highly overrated. And biblical morality still has a place.
No, no, no.

You don't get to compare the OWNING OF HUMAN BEINGS AS PROPERTY to employment in which a person is paid money, can leave any time they choose, is not considered the property of their employer, and has rights that cannot be violated under threat of law (e.g. one cannot be beaten within an inch of their lives as long as they don't die within a few days, as the Bible condones).
There is no form of employment that is worse that being OWNED AS PROPERTY by another human being. The two are nothing like the same thing. They only become the same thing when people are forced to believe what the Bible says and then have to twist themselves into pretzels trying to justify such horrors.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
when you want to convict the God of the Bible to have committed atrocity in saying a rape victim and her perpetrator should marry,... the onus is on you to show that the victim wanted to actually NOT marry him.
It's like in court: you want to convict... you present the evidence.
If you can't, then I take your post as presumption.
I presented a case in which not marrying the man was considered a nightmare for the victim, in my last post. You didn't present anything.

This rule in today's Western world would be horrible, I think, here we agree.
You can't be serious.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
This depends on how you define slavery. There is chattel slavery in which the slave is considered property without any rights whatsoever. Then there is forced servitude in which the person is forced to work but still has some rights.

One difficulty is that there are not separate words in Hebrew for these two different things. The same word is also used for non-forced servants. Adding to confusion among Gentiles about Torah as it applies to slavery. No, the Torah doesn’t allow the chattel slavery but does give rules governing non-chattel servants. Even a forced servant has rights according to Torah. Judaism is the first religion to forbid chattel slavery.
We're talking about the Biblical description of owning human beings as property.

No need to muddy the waters.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
There is no way to stop those with narrow views and a fixed agenda, from twisting everything we say.....we understand that the godless have their views, based on how their own compass directs them.....and they don’t really care about any viewpoint other than their own....they are welcome to view things in whatever way they like.....but so are we. Free will allows this and we understand that it serves an important purpose.

Some creatures don’t value pearls apparently.....:shrug:....and we can’t make them....nor do we want to. Choices are ours to make.
We've read the horrible ways in which the Bible condones slavery.
Perhaps you should give it a read as well.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Sure. I don't mint helping with Bible reading. That's actually a pleasure to me.
(Deuteronomy 22:23-29)
23 “If a virgin is engaged to a man, and another man happens to meet her in the city and lies down with her, 24 you should bring them both out to the gate of that city and stone them to death, the girl because she did not scream in the city and the man because he humiliated the wife of his fellow man. So you must remove what is evil from your midst. 25 “If, however, the man happened to meet the engaged girl in the field and the man overpowered her and lay down with her, the man who lay down with her is to die by himself, 26 and you must do nothing to the girl. The girl has not committed a sin deserving of death. This case is the same as when a man attacks his fellow man and murders him. 27 For he happened to meet her in the field, and the engaged girl screamed, but there was no one to rescue her. 28 “If a man happens to meet a virgin girl who is not engaged and he seizes her and lies down with her and they are discovered, 29 the man who lay down with her must give the girl’s father 50 silver shekels, and she will become his wife. Because he humiliated her, he will not be allowed to divorce her as long as he lives.

Notice, in verse 23 and 24, the details are given.
They are in the city. The woman's scream was not heard.

Verses 25 to 27 - In the field, the woman's word was taken, and she was spared, but the alleged rapist was put to death... because she screamed, but could not be heard.

In verses 28, and 29, they are discovered. The girl didn't put up much of a fight here, as in the case of the first. However, the difference is that she is not engaged to anyone (technically married), and God is merciful with them, allowing them to marry.
The man did not forcefully rape her, but he took her virginity out of wedlock. He was not allowed to make her a harlot.


God was dealing with the nation of Israel directly - "dwelling with them".
Hence, he personally dealt with matters, when he determined it was necessary.

Just as he did not interfere in the affairs of the world's nations (Egyptians, Canaanites, Chaldians, etc.), he does not interfere in the nations of this world. So he allows things as they are.
The time will come when his appointed king Christ Jesus, takes up complete rulership over the entire earth, Then he will deal directly with his nation - on the entire globe.

* Deuteronomy 7:6; 14:2; Leviticus 26:11, 12; Isaiah 65:17; Revelation 21:1-5
This Chapter answers your question in more detail.

We suffer many painful experiences in life. However. these words are a sure, and greatly expected by millions, who make the joy of Jehovah their stronghold.
(Romans 8:18-25) 18 For I consider that the sufferings of the present time do not amount to anything in comparison with the glory that is going to be revealed in us. 19 For the creation is waiting with eager expectation for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not by its own will, but through the one who subjected it, on the basis of hope 21 that the creation itself will also be set free from enslavement to corruption and have the glorious freedom of the children of God. 22 For we know that all creation keeps on groaning together and being in pain together until now. 23 Not only that, but we ourselves also who have the firstfruits, namely, the spirit, yes, we ourselves groan within ourselves while we are earnestly waiting for adoption as sons, the release from our bodies by ransom. 24 For we were saved in this hope; but hope that is seen is not hope, for when a man sees a thing, does he hope for it? 25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we keep eagerly waiting for it with endurance.

We have that sure hope, while we cope.
This is just more pretzel twisting that's already been discussed.


When I was raped, I couldn't scream because I had the rapists' hand over my mouth and nose and choking my throat. I guess that means I consented, according to this nonsense.
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
I’m sorry you went through that awful ordeal! So did my aunt.

The reason is....Because men are ruling themselves right now. The issue of sovereignty was raised in Genesis 3 — can mankind make their own choices, or can Jehovah God govern mankind better?

The events are being documented right now. But it seems mankind is pretty lousy at self-governance. The record is abysmal.

The issue will be settled once and for all, soon....God will step in, and all badness will end (Revelation 21:3-4). If the issue of human sovereignty is ever raised again, it won’t have any legitimacy.

And individually, what wicked things happen to us now, will not plague our memory in the future. - Isaiah 65:17b

The poster I was conversing with told me that if a woman was raped and screamed but could not be heard, then God would intervene and deal with the matter and the rapist would be put to death.


So God used to intervene, but doesn't anymore.
What good is he then?


I thank you for your kind words. :)
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
What we know about slavery among the Israelites... from the Bible.

Slavery became a practice among the Israelites, after they left Egypt.
It is likely it may have been practiced in Egypt, by an Israelite who was appointed by an Egyptian, over other slaves.
(Exodus 12:43, 44) 43 Then Jehovah said to Moses and Aaron, “This is the statute of the Passover: No foreigner may eat of it. 44 But if someone has a slave man who was purchased with money, you should circumcise him. Only then may he share in eating it.

Hence, rather than end the practice, as was the case with polygamy, Jehovah allowed it, and put laws in place that allowed for just treatment.
As with many things, both in the past, and today, Jehovah allows them, for a time.
(Exodus 21:1-11) . . .“These are the judicial decisions that you are to convey to them: 2 “If you buy a Hebrew slave, he will serve as a slave for six years, but in the seventh year, he will be set free without paying anything. 3 If he came by himself, he will go out by himself. If he is the husband of a wife, then his wife must go out with him. 4 If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children will become her master’s, and he will go out by himself. 5 But if the slave should insist and say, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my sons; I do not want to be set free,’ 6 his master must bring him before the true God. Then he will bring him up against the door or the doorpost, and his master will pierce his ear through with an awl, and he will be his slave for life. 7 “If a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not go free the same way that a slave man does. 8 If her master is not pleased with her and he does not designate her as a concubine but causes her to be purchased by someone else, he will not be entitled to sell her to foreigners, for he has betrayed her. 9 If he selects her for his son, he is to grant her the rights of a daughter. 10 If he takes another wife for himself, the sustenance, the clothing, and the marriage due of the first wife are not to be diminished. 11 If he will not render these three things to her, then she is to go free without paying any money.

This shows that in among the Israelites, slavery was not six years of harsh treatment.
(Exodus 23:12) . . .“Six days you are to do your work; but on the seventh day, you are to cease from your labor, in order that your bull and your donkey may rest and the son of your slave girl and the foreign resident may refresh themselves.
(Leviticus 22:10, 11) 10 “‘No unauthorized person may eat anything holy. No foreign guest of a priest or hired worker may eat anything holy. 11 But if a priest should purchase someone with his own money, that person may share in eating it. Slaves born in his house may also share in eating his food.
(Leviticus 25:6, 7) 6 However, you may eat the food that grows in the land during its sabbath; you, your male and female slaves, your hired worker, and the foreign settlers who are residing with you may eat it, 7 as well as the domestic and the wild animals in your land. Everything the land produces may be eaten.
(Deuteronomy 5:14) but the seventh day is a sabbath to Jehovah your God. You must not do any work, neither you nor your son nor your daughter nor your slave man nor your slave girl nor your bull nor your donkey nor any of your domestic animals nor your foreign resident who is inside your cities, in order that your slave man and your slave girl may rest the same as you.
(Deuteronomy 15:12-18) 12 “If one of your brothers, a Hebrew man or woman, is sold to you and has served you for six years, then in the seventh year you should set him free. 13 And if you should set him free, do not send him away empty-handed. 14 You should supply him generously with something from your flock, your threshing floor, and your press for oil and wine. Just as Jehovah your God has blessed you, you should give to him. 15 Remember that you became a slave in the land of Egypt and that Jehovah your God redeemed you. That is why I am commanding you to do this today. 16 “But if he says to you, ‘I will not go out from your company!’ because he loves you and your household, since he has been happy while with you, 17 you should then take an awl and put it through his ear into the door, and he will become your slave for life. You should do the same with your slave girl. 18 Do not consider it a hardship when you set him free and he leaves you, because his service to you for six years was worth twice as much as that of a hired worker, and Jehovah your God has blessed you in everything that was done.
(Deuteronomy 16:11-15) 11 And you are to rejoice before Jehovah your God, you and your son, your daughter, your male slave, your female slave, the Levite who is inside your cities, the foreign resident, the fatherless child, and the widow, who are in your midst, in the place that Jehovah your God chooses to have his name reside. 12 Remember that you became a slave in Egypt, and observe and carry out these regulations. 13 “You should celebrate the Festival of Booths for seven days when you make an ingathering from your threshing floor and from your press for oil and wine. 14 Rejoice during your festival, you and your son, your daughter, your male slave, your female slave, the Levite, the foreign resident, the fatherless child, and the widow, who are inside your cities. 15 Seven days you will celebrate the festival to Jehovah your God in the place that Jehovah chooses, for Jehovah your God will bless all your produce and all that you do, and you will become nothing but joyful.

If a slave master is harsh, he suffers the consequences.
Deuteronomy 23
15 “You should not hand over a slave to his master when he escapes from his master and comes to you. 16 He may dwell among you in whatever place he chooses in one of your cities, wherever he likes. You must not mistreat him.

Eventually, God taught the Israelites the proper view.
(Leviticus 25:39-46) 39 “‘If your brother who lives nearby becomes poor and he has to sell himself to you, you must not force him to do slave labor. 40 He should be treated like a hired worker, like a settler. He should serve with you until the Jubilee year. 41 Then he will leave you, he and his children with him, and return to his family. He should return to the property of his forefathers. 42 For they are my slaves whom I brought out of the land of Egypt. They should not sell themselves the way a slave is sold. 43 You must not treat him cruelly, and you must be in fear of your God. 44 Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you, from them you may buy a male or a female slave. 45 Also from the sons of the foreign settlers who are residing with you, from them and from their families that are born to them in your land you may buy slaves, and they will become your possession. 46 You may pass them on as an inheritance to your sons after you to inherit as a permanent possession. You may use them as workers, but you must not subject your Israelite brothers to cruel treatment.
(Leviticus 25:47-55)
(1 Kings 9:20-23) 20 As for all the people who were left from the Amʹor·ites, the Hitʹtites, the Perʹiz·zites, the Hiʹvites, and the Jebʹu·sites, who were not part of the people of Israel, 21 their descendants who were left in the land—those whom the Israelites had been unable to devote to destruction—were conscripted by Solʹo·mon for forced labor as slaves until this day. 22 But Solʹo·mon did not make any of the Israelites slaves, for they were his warriors, servants, princes, adjutants, and the chiefs of his charioteers and horsemen. 23 There were 550 chiefs of the deputies who were over the work of Solʹo·mon, the foremen over the people who were doing the work.
(Jeremiah 34:8-17) 8 The word that came to Jeremiah from Jehovah after King Zed·e·kiʹah had made a covenant with all the people in Jerusalem to proclaim liberty to them, 9 that everyone should free his Hebrew slaves, male and female, so that no one would keep a fellow Jew as his slave. 10 So all the princes and all the people obeyed. They had entered into the covenant that everyone should free his male and female slaves and not keep them as slaves any longer. They obeyed and let them go. 11 However, they later brought back the male and female slaves whom they had freed, and they again forced them back into slavery. 12 So the word of Jehovah came to Jeremiah from Jehovah, saying: 13 “This is what Jehovah the God of Israel says, ‘I made a covenant with your forefathers in the day I brought them out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery, saying: 14 “At the end of seven years, each of you should free his Hebrew brother who was sold to you and who has served you six years; you must set him free.” But your forefathers did not listen or incline their ears to me. 15 And recently you yourselves turned around and did what was right in my eyes by proclaiming liberty to your fellow men, and you made a covenant before me in the house that bears my name. 16 But then you turned around and profaned my name by bringing back your male and female slaves whom you had freed according to their desire, and you forced them back into slavery.’ 17 “Therefore this is what Jehovah says: ‘You have not obeyed me in proclaiming liberty, each one to his brother and to his fellow man. So I will now proclaim liberty to you,’ declares Jehovah, ‘to the sword, to pestilence, and to famine, and I will make you an object of horror to all the kingdoms of the earth.

This shows that God is as described in the Bible, (Exodus 34:6, 7) He is very patient, and reasonable.
Rather than become like a harsh taskmaster, gradually, Jehovah adjusted the thinking of his people.
God did not institute slavery. rather, he allowed it.
Slavery of that kind, will eventually end permanently.
A willingness to serve others, however, will continue, as it is a proper form of slavery.

(Proverbs 22:7) . . .And the borrower is a slave to the lender.

Take care to not selectively cite the OT concerning slavery. There are distinct types of 'slavery' described in the OT: (1) Slavery of foreigners. (2) Indentured servitude of Hebrews committed to servitude to other Hebrews. Actually in history Europeans and in the Americas this Biblical regulation was followed. Blacks and in many cases Native Americans were considered foreigners and justified to be enslaved. The dominate view was descendants of European ancestry would be indentured servants.
 
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