So, There Has Been Outcry About How "The Left Promotes Victimhood Culture!"...

[Nakosis]

When being wrong has disastrous consequences, it's sometimes
best to admit it. This might've gotten us out of a couple wars.
That's worth risking a political career over.

Of course, but the media will crucify you? Unless you can claim to be a victim!? Then you can admit to be wrong but blame your wrongness on something else, like the patriarchy... or slavery or racism or the 1%.

hmm... maybe I'm starting to see the benefits of victimhood. Trump's problem is if you're going to blame victimhood you need the media on your side. Part of the formula is in selecting the appropriate socially accepted oppressor. The media is just the wrong oppressor for Trump to use.

Obama had it made, lots of socially accepted oppressors to choose from. However for Trump... I, I can't think of anyone.

 

[Nakosis]

So then you do understand why Trump is loathed.

Yes! I get it, finally. No socially acceptable oppressors for him to blame.

 

[Falvlun]

Yes! I get it, finally. No socially acceptable oppressors for him to blame.

That sounds pretty whiny to me.

Wahhh! Nobody oppresses me so when I mess up I can't blame it on my oppressors!

 

[Revoltingest]

So then you do understand why Trump is loathed.

Oh, ya you betcha!

 

[Revoltingest]

Of course, but the media will crucify you? Unless you can claim to be a victim!? Then you can admit to be wrong but blame your wrongness on something else, like the patriarchy... or slavery or racism or the 1%.

In the private sector, I've seen people admit mistakes, & be thought the better person for doing so. The real trick is to catch one's own mistake, & work to correct it for the larger benefit. But I also see that judgement of one's customers & managers is of a higher quality than the voters, who are largely an emotionally driven dumb lot. (Science shows that 94% of people are below average intelligence.) Still, I remember Janet Reno's stock rising when she took responsibility for the Waco disaster.

Finally, a politician who will do the wrong thing to hide a mistake just to avoid criticism is one I wouldn't want in office.

hmm... maybe I'm starting to see the benefits of victimhood. Trump's problem is if you're going to blame victimhood you need the media on your side. Part of the formula is in selecting the appropriate socially accepted oppressor. The media is just the wrong oppressor for Trump to use.

Obama had it made, lots of socially accepted oppressors to choose from. However for Trump... I, I can't think of anyone.

Aye, Obama had built in victim cred, as did Hillary.
But Trump....a rich old white guy needs to learn the value of stoic silence.
I did.

 

[idav]

... but then there's this:



It seems that so much of right-wing politics has inadvertently made it clear that it is a self-parodying, hypocritical circus act. Do many of Trump's supporters really believe him when he says things like the above?

Yes it's super unfair how people use Trumps own words against him. He says he can't be expected to say things super accurately with people fact checking him all the time.

 

[Nakosis]

In the private sector, I've seen people admit mistakes, & be thought the better person for doing so. The real trick is to catch one's own mistake, & work to correct it for the larger benefit. But I also see that judgement of one's customers & managers is of a higher quality than the voters, who are largely an emotionally driven dumb lot. (Science shows that 94% of people are below average intelligence.) Still, I remember Janet Reno's stock rising when she took responsibility for the Waco disaster.

Yes, That's my claim to fame, catching my own mistakes for anyone notices. I've a T-shirt which states the following: Curious Enough to Take it Apart - Skilled Enough to Put it Back Together - Clever Enough to Hide all of the Extra Parts.

 

[Nakosis]

That sounds pretty whiny to me.

Wahhh! Nobody oppresses me so when I mess up I can't blame it on my oppressors!

Exactly, Right? It's tough to get any sympathy without the proper socially accepted oppressors. See I think I can get some sympathy for Trump if I can find the correct oppressor for him.
Unfortunately, I haven't found finding one to be that easy.

 

[Falvlun]

Exactly, Right? It's tough to get any sympathy without the proper socially accepted oppressors. See I think I can get some sympathy for Trump if I can find the correct oppressor for him.
Unfortunately, I haven't found finding one to be that easy.

The "oppressor" is the left wing media and all those commie, freedom hating liberals of course! You already have 30-50% of Americans who believe that, and they are certainly vocal in claiming that these oppressors are the real problem we should be focusing on. Not sure what more ya need.

 

[Nakosis]

The "oppressor" is the left wing media and all those commie, freedom hating liberals of course! You already have 30-50% of Americans who believe that, and they are certainly vocal in claiming that these oppressors are the real problem we should be focusing on. Not sure what more ya need.

I think you really need the media on your side for this to work. Unfortunately for Trump, that train may have already left the station.

My plan would be first, apologize to the press. Ask for forgiveness and blame it all on the oppressive comic books Trump was forced to read in the 40's.

 

[Falvlun]

I think you really need the media on your side for this to work. Unfortunately for Trump, that train may have already left the station.

My plan would be first, apologize to the press. Ask for forgiveness and blame it all on the oppressive comic books Trump was forced to read in the 40's.

When does Fox become "mainstream media"? Isn't it the most watched nowadays? Isn't it pretty much the news channel of choice in any office?

The point is, Trump very much can-- and does-- play the victim with MSM and Democrats as his oppressors. It plays just fine with his supporters. That it doesn't play with liberals hardly matters for your argument, since after all, calling sexism or racism doesn't play particularly well with conservatives either.

 

[Sapiens]

What made the American forefathers such great leaders, was not who they started out as, but that when it mattered they became more than they were.

But Trump self-diminishes himself on a daily basis. He couldn't lead a Brownie troop to a 7-11.

Just ask yourself, "When was the last time Comey lied to me?" and "When was the last time Trump lied to me?"

 

[Nakosis]

When does Fox become "mainstream media"? Isn't it the most watched nowadays? Isn't it pretty much the news channel of choice in any office?

Yeah, no... I'm thinking all of the media. Not just FOX but the whole kit and kaboodle.

The point is, Trump very much can-- and does-- play the victim with MSM and Democrats as his oppressors. It plays just fine with his supporters. That it doesn't play with liberals hardly matters for your argument, since after all, calling sexism or racism doesn't play particularly well with conservatives either.

Getting Trump supporters to support Trump, Tsk... where's the challenge in that?

 

[Falvlun]

Yeah, no... I'm thinking all of the media. Not just FOX but the whole kit and kaboodle.

Well, nobody has "all" the media.

Conservatives do have a healthy chunk of media, and honestly a lot more is relatively neutral, but that doesn't stop the narrative of conservatives being victims of a left wing media conspiracy.

Getting Trump supporters to support Trump, Tsk... where's the challenge in that?

Not being a challenge doesn't change the fact that Trump, along with conservatives in general, do play the victim.

 

[Nakosis]

Well, nobody has "all" the media.

Conservatives do have a healthy chunk of media, and honestly a lot more is relatively neutral, but that doesn't stop the narrative of conservatives being victims of a left wing media conspiracy.

Ok, I still think it's the wrong card for them to play. Past presidents kind of understood the importance of keeping on friendly terms with the media, whereas Trump seems to have been hostile towards several.

Not being a challenge doesn't change the fact that Trump, along with conservatives in general, do play the victim.

Yeah, I just don't think they're doing a very good job of it. I could do it much better. Doubtful Trump's going to be taking my advise anytime soon though. I've tried tweeting him but...

 

[Falvlun]

Ok, I still think it's the wrong card for them to play. Past presidents kind of understood the importance of keeping on friendly terms with the media, whereas Trump seems to have been hostile towards several.



Yeah, I just don't think they're doing a very good job of it. I could do it much better. Doubtful Trump's going to be taking my advise anytime soon though. I've tried tweeting him but...

Whoa! I didn't even know getting blocked from following a tweeter was a thing!

 

[Jeremiahcp]

But Trump self-diminishes himself on a daily basis. He couldn't lead a Brownie troop to a 7-11.

Just ask yourself, "When was the last time Comey lied to me?" and "When was the last time Trump lied to me?"

I was not talking about Trump in that post.

 

[Sapiens]

I was not talking about Trump in that post.

But it was a good jumping off point.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

But it was a good jumping off point.

I don't think so.

 

[Sapiens]

I don't think so.

That's what makes a horse race.