So, There Has Been Outcry About How "The Left Promotes Victimhood Culture!"...

[Flame]

And I think you're blinded by desire to win an argument.
This prevents understand another's perspective

And that's the issue with US politics.

 

[Revoltingest]

And that's the issue with US politics.

Aye, when in fighting mode, it's hard to see the other side as reasonable.

Things lately remind me of James Donovan, the lawyer in the movie, Bridge Of Spies.
Despite his being a lawyer, I see him as a model citizen....one who can
see humanity in the enemy, & protecting what is best in our justice system.

 

[Kemosloby]

Elaborate.

Oops wrong thread. This one is victimhood culture. What I don't like about the victimhood culture is when they act like the person committing a crime is a victim. Sort of an upside down perversion of justice. That's not what this is, This is the President being frustrated by the lib media's constant criticism.

 

[suncowiam]

I hope for good results.
They're possible.
To hope that Trump will be an exemplary president.....that wouldn't be reasonable.
But if he exceeds my expectations, I can live with that.

Why wouldn't it be reasonable to expect Trump or any president to be exemplary?

 

[Father Heathen]

We're not really disagreeing.
It's just my approach to mental health, ie, don't get upset when leaders are jerks.

If I were riding a bus, my concern would not be whether or not the driver was a "jerk", but rather if he were capable of keeping the bus on the road and not over the edge of a cliff.

 

[Nakosis]

What made the American forefathers such great leaders, was not who they started out as, but that when it mattered they became more than they were.

I have to say baloney to that. The historical narrative made them greater than they were. Now days the media creates that narrative in an immediate sort of way. I expect if you look deeply enough into anyone's life you're bound to find something which disgusts you. Or conversely something to admire. To expect a person to be more than they are is kind of stupid, well I suppose kindly to say unrealistic.

Stupid people put some folks on pedestals and toss others in the trash that they don't really know. I guess most folks need someone to look up to and someone to look down on. Makes their world go round.

 

[Father Heathen]

Oops wrong thread. This one is victimhood culture. What I don't like about the victimhood culture is when they act like the person committing a crime is a victim. Sort of an upside down perversion of justice. That's not what this is, This is the President being frustrated by the lib media's constant criticism.

Would you consider a good portion of the GOP to be "lib"?

 

[Nakosis]

Why wouldn't it be reasonable to expect Trump or any president to be exemplary?

Because it's stupid er, I mean to say unrealistic. Folks is folks, they can't be other than what they are.

 

[Nakosis]

If I were riding a bus, my concern would not be whether or not the driver was a "jerk", but rather if he were capable of keeping the bus on the road and not over the edge of a cliff.

And you wouldn't really know the truth of it would you. You step on a bus you've no idea if this is going to be the last day of your life because of some stupid mistake made by the driver. But if the driver was a jerk to you, you'd be more likely not to get on that bus.

Humans are funny, it easy to question why other folks do what they do, but often forget to question our own choices.

 

[Revoltingest]

Why wouldn't it be reasonable to expect Trump or any president to be exemplary?

Trump's behavior before becoming president is.....shall I say...."deplorable".
I expected past to be prologue.

 

[Revoltingest]

If I were riding a bus, my concern would not be whether or not the driver was a "jerk", but rather if he were capable of keeping the bus on the road and not over the edge of a cliff.

Same here.

 

[suncowiam]

Trump's behavior before becoming president is.....shall I say...."deplorable".
I expected past to be prologue.

Well yeah... That's personally why I did not vote for him.

But he is our president, now. He needs to step up and fill these big shoes.

I just feel like we're just making excuses for his shortcomings. No one's perfect, but he's no child. He has to be held accountable for the role he chose to accept.

IMO, he either improves his performance or steps away. I'm not being partisan here. I'm fine with Pence taking over as long as we have some quality at the President's level.

 

[Kemosloby]

Would you consider a good portion of the GOP to be "lib"?

I don't like to generalize, Lib is the first three letters in Liberty and that's what America is about. I know that both sides sway fascist, and we're not given any other options. The media simply creates drama to keep us occupied on non issues.

 

[Nakosis]

Sharing "truth" eh.
And I think you're blinded by desire to win an argument.
This prevents understand another's perspective.

A desire to be right. Being right gives you credibility and admiration. All important stuff. But, the truth is, I learn a lot more by being wrong. If we can't accept being wrong, makes it really hard to learn anything.

Now a days a politician can't afford to be wrong.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well yeah... That's personally why I did not vote for him.

But he is our president, now. He needs to step up and fill these big shoes.

I just feel like we're just making excuses for his shortcomings. No one's perfect, but he's no child. He has to be held accountable for the role he chose to accept.

IMO, he either improves his performance or steps away. I'm not being partisan here. I'm fine with Pence taking over as long as we have some quality at the President's level.

I agree that he should behave more presidentially.

 

[Revoltingest]

A desire to be right. Being right gives you credibility and admiration. All important stuff. But, the truth is, I learn a lot more by being wrong. If we can't accept being wrong, makes it really hard to learn anything.

I'm wrong often in real world matters (where punishment is financial).
This teaches using care in making claims, & being clear about opining instead of claiming "the truth".
Especially in things like morality & ethics, all I have is a personal perspective....no facts at all.
While I don't get to be right, it does have the advantage of not being wrong either.

Now a days a politician can't afford to be wrong.

When being wrong has disastrous consequences, it's sometimes
best to admit it. This might've gotten us out of a couple wars.
That's worth risking a political career over.

 

[suncowiam]

I don't like to generalize, Lib is the first three letters in Liberty and that's what America is about. I know that both sides sway fascist, and we're not given any other options. The media simply creates drama to keep us occupied on non issues.

Do you watch FOX news more than CNN? Do you believe FOX news more than CNN?

Or where do you get your news from? How do you know what to believe than? How do you get your understanding of the world?

You're not everywhere all at once, right?

 

[Jeremiahcp]

I have to say baloney to that. The historical narrative made them greater than they were. Now days the media creates that narrative in an immediate sort of way. I expect if you look deeply enough into anyone's life you're bound to find something which disgusts you. Or conversely something to admire. To expect a person to be more than they are is kind of stupid, well I suppose kindly to say unrealistic.

Stupid people put some folks on pedestals and toss others in the trash that they don't really know. I guess most folks need someone to look up to and someone to look down on. Makes their world go round.

"The historical narrative made them greater than they were."

I don't disagree with that and never did. I would have not said what I did if I thought the personal character of the founding fathers was beyond reproach. There is just more to the story then you are acknowledging, or perhaps are aware of.

 

[Father Heathen]

I don't like to generalize, Lib is the first three letters in Liberty and that's what America is about. I know that both sides sway fascist, and we're not given any other options. The media simply creates drama to keep us occupied on non issues.

What "non issues"?

 

[Father Heathen]

Same here.

So then you do understand why Trump is loathed.