So, There Has Been Outcry About How "The Left Promotes Victimhood Culture!"...

[Jeremiahcp]

The truth of it, @Revoltingest ,whether you can accept it or not, is that I actually do think your semantic argument is nothing but you back peddling

 

[Revoltingest]

The truth of it, @Revoltingest ,whether you can accept it or not, is that I actually do think your semantic argument is nothing but you back peddling

Sharing "truth" eh.
And I think you're blinded by desire to win an argument.
This prevents understand another's perspective.

 

[Father Heathen]

He will be who he is.
I don't hope for more than that.

Remember that low expectations of others are the key to equanimity.

Those in such a high position need to also be held to a high standard and held accountable. Remember, he works for us and we have a right, nay, obligation to demand service with quality and integrity.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

And I think you're blinded by desire to win an argument.
This prevents understand another's perspective.

No, I have just seen your pattern too many times, too often you fall back on arguing semantics, and I have very little respect for that type of "debating". If you think I actually care about "winning" (which I am not even sure how that happens) then you have overestimated your importance to me. I don't care what you think of me, which means I don't care about winning.

Btw, this is now ad-hominem another typical trend in your "debating" style.

 

[Revoltingest]

Those in such a high position need to also be held to a high standard and held accountable. Remember, he works for us and we have a right, nay, obligation to demand service with quality and integrity.

I agree.
It's nice when it happens.
But it's fleeting.

 

[Father Heathen]

I agree.
It's nice when it happens.
But it's fleeting.

Eh?

 

[Revoltingest]

Btw, this is now ad-hominem another typical trend in your "debating" style.

You shared your "truth of it" with me.
I reciprocated.
But you call it an "ad hominem", as though your unsolicited personal commentary differs.
Double standards to eek out a faux win are your style.

 

[Father Heathen]

It's like you think when a person becomes president they have to talk like their on the witness stand 24/7. I get what Trump means.

No, what Trump means is that he's not used to being held accountable for his words and actions. His ego can't stand criticism or scrutiny.

 

[Revoltingest]

Eh?

As do you, I like leaders to be exemplary.
Sometimes they are.
But they won't all be so.
It's unreasonable to expect it.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

... but then there's this:



It seems that so much of right-wing politics has inadvertently made it clear that it is a self-parodying, hypocritical circus act. Do many of Trump's supporters really believe him when he says things like the above?

Interestingly, Trump's narcissism, thin skin, self-absorption, and lack of humor are highly reminiscent of the liberal, millennial mindset. Maybe he's an SJW in disguise.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

You shared your "truth of it" with me.
I reciprocated.
But you call it an "ad hominem", as though your personal commentary differs.
Double standards to eek out a faux win are your style.

I am a bias hypocrite, unlike you I have no delusions about that and openly admit it.

Btw, your reply was so predictable I thought of that rebuttal before you even posted.

 

[Revoltingest]

Btw, your reply was so predictable I thought of that rebuttal before you even posted.

Seek, & ye shall find (ie, confirmation bias).
But if you don't try to confirm what you predict,
then you might find a different understanding.

What does "call for" an investigation mean to you?
Do you see no difference between that, & merely
being OK with one proceeding?

 

[Father Heathen]

As do you, I like leaders to be exemplary.
Sometimes they are.
But they won't all be so.
It's unreasonable to expect it.

Of course you can't expect perfection, but you should expect a high position to be held to a high standard.
This isn't flipping burgers, this is leading the world's most powerful nation. The fries a little cold? Annoying, but we shrug and move on. Our rights and freedoms a little impeded? Not acceptable.

 

[Kemosloby]

No, what Trump means is that he's not used to being held accountable for his words and actions. His ego can't stand criticism or scrutiny.

I didn't vote for him because I needed a history lesson.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

Seek, & ye shall find.
But if you don't try to confirm what you predict,
then you might find a different understanding.

What does "call for" an investigation mean to you?
Do you see no difference between that, & merely
being OK with one proceeding?

 

[Falvlun]

Interestingly, Trump's narcissism, thin skin, self-absorption, and lack of humor are highly reminiscent of the liberal, millennial mindset. Maybe he's an SJW in disguise.

Nah, conservatives similarly show themselves to be thin-skinned, holier-than-thou, and self-absorbed, what with their Christian persecution complex, their belief that they alone are True Patriots, and that any disagreement must be the result of the liberal media conspiracy. Trump is just a typical conservative in this regard.

 

[Jeremiahcp]

Alright, @Revoltingest , I am done for now, so feel free to have a rebuttal free stab at me. Whatever you want to say, I will not try to refute.

 

[Father Heathen]

I didn't vote for him because I needed a history lesson.

Elaborate.

 

[Revoltingest]

Of course you can't expect perfection, but you should expect a high position to be held to a high standard.
This isn't flipping burgers, this is leading the world's most powerful nation. The fries a little cold? Annoying, but we shrug and move on. Our rights and freedoms a little impeded? Not acceptable.

We're not really disagreeing.
It's just my approach to mental health, ie, don't get upset when leaders are jerks.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm actually trying to change it to a discussion about investigations & their utility.
In some cases, don't see the need to take strong positions either for or against.

Regarding accusations of Trump being controlled by Russians, & Obama wiretapping
him....
I've no need to investigate because the accusations ring hollow.
But the noise surrounding the allegations could be quelled by investigations, making them useful.
When you return, I'm curious what you think about this.
The Obama birth certificate debacle looked similar.

Alright, @Revoltingest , I am done for now, so feel free to have a rebuttal free stab at me. Whatever you want to say, I will not try to refute.

This might be too harsh.....
Your avatar is colorless.
No....there is some color....but it's muted.
It's bland.
Your avatar is bland !!