Heaven is not a place one "goes to" so I can't answer the question.
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So whats so great about a Christian heaven?
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Heaven is not a place one "goes to" so I can't answer the question.
waitasec
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no. i never claimed all accomplishments are for good..but they do affect the future in one way or another.
Wow. I think I love how you think. It's beautiful!
Pronouns present a problem for me. What is "that" in "what brought us to that point". What point? Please know I'm not kidding, I mean I am not trolling.
Maybe, but that is awful scary, isn't it? Everything can AFFECT the future, but affect can be benign. Do you mean effect?
I think we are still talking about heaven. When effect becomes infect, which it most certainly does, then heaven becomes involved. Heaven has to. What can infect the future? Lies.
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waitasec
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averageJOE
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Fine I'll rephrase. Is heaven a state in which everyone achieves no matter what?
waitasec
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i mean affect as in influence. nothing is stagnant
energy moves forward constantly.
waitasec
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yes. what do you suppose this flawed idea of heaven is, the truth?
No one "achieves" heaven. Heaven is present to all, all the time. Few people recognize it is there. And even fewer understand what it is saying.
I recognize that a person does not need to be a Christian to understand what heaven communicates. But that is my personal point of view. I am not for any religion.
I don't understand the question
No, I do not call the idea of heaven an accomplishment. Although if heaven were understood better I think science would accomplish much more and better for all and the future.
Heaven is cognizant of is/was/will be. Humans do not have a clear view of any (I think there is no word) complete is, was, or will be. I'm sorry. Is there a word for that?
Two ideas have come to my mind regarding this conversation.
One is that heaven, knowing what has occurred and is occurring and will probably occur is more hell than heaven.
And the ruler of is/was/will be has a Name. It is Yahweh.
One is that heaven, knowing what has occurred and is occurring and will probably occur is more hell than heaven.
And the ruler of is/was/will be has a Name. It is Yahweh.
waitasec
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by what criteria can you say understood "better"?
how do you know it can be understood better?
science is concerned with the "how" of things...not the why...the why is absolutely too open ended...as it is ultimately based on subjective understanding.
waitasec
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i agree. ignorance is bliss while knowledge presents responsibility.
to me, this name means nothing more than allah, krishna, and buddha
That is correct. I mean heaven knows how a new invention for instance, WILL EFFECT the future.
Heaven knows about "stressers" that cause a person to go crazy. Heaven knows how to calm stressers.
Remember Mr. Rogers? He prayed "show me who I may help today".
It is humble to recognize he does not know. But Heaven knows.
It is much more effective to say to the self "I don't know" when one does not know than it is to say I KNOW. Because it is true that a person can not know for certain who needs help, when and where it is good to get in touch with ones connection to Heaven. Matthew 18:10
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waitasec
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i interpret term "heaven knows" as no one knows.
again by what criteria do you determine that? unless you mean, no one knows
you mean, no one knows
that is why the idea of heaven presents a problem for me
i interpret term "heaven knows" as no one knows.
OK. You might be right. But my faith says I'm right. And your mind says you are right. And in the game of life can I say faith trumps mind?
OK. You might be right. But my faith says I'm right. And your mind says you are right. And in the game of life can I say faith trumps mind?
waitasec
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scratches head. Thinks of ommmmmm
No one knows another person's need. That is what no one knows. OK we know some things. There might be someone out there that needs a kind word. Sometimes just to see someone clicked "like" once in a while. You know? I have showed people kindness that were starved for it. How did I know what and when to reach out? Chance? I don't think so, but you do and that's A OK with me. I believe heaven put me in a position to help so I will keep looking to it to help me help others. For me most important is the future. To do kindness for the future. It's an investment. I have time.
No one knows another person's need. That is what no one knows. OK we know some things. There might be someone out there that needs a kind word. Sometimes just to see someone clicked "like" once in a while. You know? I have showed people kindness that were starved for it. How did I know what and when to reach out? Chance? I don't think so, but you do and that's A OK with me. I believe heaven put me in a position to help so I will keep looking to it to help me help others. For me most important is the future. To do kindness for the future. It's an investment. I have time.